What are your favorite “glue” plug-in’s?
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
If the tracks sound too musically independent and need to bounce off each other more, then compression with MJUC, Kotelnikov GE or NI solid buss comp.
If the sources are too different tonally due to different recording/synthesis sources then some saturation can help: generally Busscolors4, SDRR or Karacter.
In both cases it's a corrective measure applied at a late stage; I used to mix into FerricTDS but didn't like dealing with a changing compressor response as parts are added.
If the sources are too different tonally due to different recording/synthesis sources then some saturation can help: generally Busscolors4, SDRR or Karacter.
In both cases it's a corrective measure applied at a late stage; I used to mix into FerricTDS but didn't like dealing with a changing compressor response as parts are added.
- KVRAF
- 6282 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
I see what you mean - it presents the audio as if it's in a room with a warm defined space. I added a little drive and brightness for more openness. subtle stuff to be sure but gives a nice acoustic glue - thats how my ears hear it. Could just be the weed.Mr. Spock wrote:king of glue IMO: MJUC (barely kissing the GR needle) in mk2 mode.
haven't found a way to replicate this with any other plugin.
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
I like to duplicate the mix bus, and on a parallel channel, overdrive it an unhealthy amount, then subtly mix it in at low levels alongside your original master. I've found nothing else that provides a better glue. Pre and post EQ are necessary.
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- KVRAF
- 4720 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Yes! Devil-Loc Deluxe is up for this task. Maxed out it pumps and breathes around the transients and completely crushes the signal but in a kind of pleasing and musical way. Just mix it in 2-5% and voila "that special something" that was missing.The Chase wrote:I like to duplicate the mix bus, and on a parallel channel, overdrive it an unhealthy amount, then subtly mix it in at low levels alongside your original master. I've found nothing else that provides a better glue. Pre and post EQ are necessary.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Also a great trick for vocals in busy mixes. You shouldn't be able to hear the distorted version, but add enough so it gives bite and presence.The Chase wrote:I like to duplicate the mix bus, and on a parallel channel, overdrive it an unhealthy amount, then subtly mix it in at low levels alongside your original master. I've found nothing else that provides a better glue. Pre and post EQ are necessary.
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- KVRAF
- 4720 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
AnX wrote:Turn off all compressors. Works a treat.
I have to admit - if I volume match post/pre compressor and then do a blind test I often prefer the non-compressed version.
If you can get to where you want to go in less steps... do it!
- KVRAF
- 2726 posts since 2 Jun, 2016
Not sure it's been mentioned here already (I've only read pages 1, 2 and 5) but a little bit of delay - about 4% - can often help to achieve a 'gluing effect' too, sometimes better to my ears than a comp or saturation etc. Go for delay rather than reverb in this situation.
On a sidenote, talking of glue I used to love smearing Copydex all over my hands and creating a second skin as a child. Not sure the yuff of nowadays would get into such cheap, but rather kinky, pleasures...
To nick a Stranglers lyric: "Spread it all over my peelin' skin baby,
That feels real good"
On a sidenote, talking of glue I used to love smearing Copydex all over my hands and creating a second skin as a child. Not sure the yuff of nowadays would get into such cheap, but rather kinky, pleasures...
To nick a Stranglers lyric: "Spread it all over my peelin' skin baby,
That feels real good"
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- KVRian
- 534 posts since 9 Aug, 2017
MogwaiBoy wrote:AnX wrote:Turn off all compressors. Works a treat.![]()
I have to admit - if I volume match post/pre compressor and then do a blind test I often prefer the non-compressed version.
If you can get to where you want to go in less steps... do it!
Great to go with what your ears are telling you!
Out of interest do you level match by numbers or by ear?
I used to always feel compression had adverse effects and felt similar to this, always liked the bypassed more. In the last year or so though I've really come around to it and find I'm enjoying compressing for subtle tone rather than GR, though squashing some things for creative effect can be great/parallel can also be very nice. I guess it depends what your using and what your compressing - finding a few that I really get on with has helped a lot.
I don't go crazy with the gr, usually pretty low and used quite sparingly round a mix. On busses though it can really help things groove, especially something program dependant like TuCo. Can definitely lend itself to the gluing of parts in the way they move as well as tone.
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- KVRist
- 155 posts since 15 Mar, 2009 from sweden
On the Alpha you have a clipper funktion use that to shave some peak’s and get some extra db’sjpga wrote:Never fail.
In combination.
First BX_Opto
Second Elysia Alpha Compressor
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- KVRist
- 96 posts since 16 Jul, 2017
Slight amount of compression with Nomad Factory Busdriver on the mix Bus but I also use FXpansion DCAM FreeComp on groups of tracks again only with a slight amount of compression.
You start using to much Compression on Busses and Tracks you smash the original signal into a messy, muddy pile of crap.
You start using to much Compression on Busses and Tracks you smash the original signal into a messy, muddy pile of crap.
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- KVRist
- 496 posts since 16 Jun, 2013 from Morocco
A big part of what glues a mix together in my opinion is IMD, and there is no other way to achieve that than master bus compression/saturation.Neon Breath wrote:Call me ignorant if you want, but if the elements overall don't seem to 'glue' nor feel that they stick well together in the final mix, isn't a problem that should be taken care of at the source? Meaning, the sounds themselves with correct EQ, balance & mix? How can a compressor or a saturation plugin can magically 'glue' unbalanced things that don't mix well together?
It's kind of like why a guitar power chord played through an overdriven amp sounds so nice and glued and "one", whereas if you separate the root and the fifth to different amps they will sound nowhere as glued. That's IMD.
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- Banned
- 480 posts since 28 Apr, 2017
I say GFY to people who use acronyms that only they knowBouroki wrote: A big part of what glues a mix together in my opinion is IMD, and there is no other way to achieve that than master bus compression/saturation.
It's kind of like why a guitar power chord played through an overdriven amp sounds so nice and glued and "one", whereas if you separate the root and the fifth to different amps they will sound nowhere as glued. That's IMD.
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- KVRist
- 496 posts since 16 Jun, 2013 from Morocco
Intermodulation Distortionjbarish wrote:I say GFY to people who use acronyms that only they knowBouroki wrote: A big part of what glues a mix together in my opinion is IMD, and there is no other way to achieve that than master bus compression/saturation.
It's kind of like why a guitar power chord played through an overdriven amp sounds so nice and glued and "one", whereas if you separate the root and the fifth to different amps they will sound nowhere as glued. That's IMD.
