IK MUltimedia UNO Synth

[Mushy Mushy]

Other synth makers use the same language for digital effects following an analog audio path, they make it clearer that the effects are digital eg dave smith "While the effects themselves are digital, with 24-bit, 48 kHz resolution, a true bypass maintains a full analog signal path."

And when we continue this thinking we would have to say that it's not an "analogue synth" at all (the same goes for e.g. Prophet 600 or Juno-106) because it has digital MIDI and Envelopes and LFO are digital, so it is a "Digital Controlled Analogue Oscillator Digital Modulated Analogue Amplifier Analogue Filter Synth With A Digital Delay Line Retaining An Analogue Signal Path When FX Mix Is Set To Zero"
So instead of "UNO" it should be called "DCAODMAAAFSWADDLRAASPWFMISTZ" - certainly a much better product name, revealing all the details......


We also should title the thread "'A fly in the ointment" .....
 

F&cking Germans and their long words.

[OneOfManyPauls]

@ WOK: "All-Analog Audio Path" is my issue. So no, control paths including midi, envelopes and LFO's don't apply.

A signal/audio path has a source and and output. Where is the "all-analog audio path" output that doesn't include digitally processed audio if the delay is being used, given the only output is the summed final output?

[DocSnyder]

SInce the delay is something that directly processes the audio signal (like any fx applied to audio) and is fed back into it, it is part of the audio path. So no all analog audio path imo.

Anyways if the explanation from either side has to be made via nitpicking words that have (not) been said it obviously isn't that clear. Unfortunately after the paradigm shift thread I knew there would be more similar nitpicking and weird explanations

[Scotty]

The good news is that this has been clarified. Some of us said statements like "analog where it matters" which sums it up with enough accuracy for me and probably many others.

Regardless, if you are going to get into the details the information has been laid bare and as a matter of perspective IK's description of the analog signal path mirrors much of their competition. If you decide to buy one there will be few surprises as you have asked questions that are pertinent to you. I don't think that anyone is hiding anything with nefarious intentions We live in a pretty transparent world as far as product reviews go with everything from unboxing to teardowns appearing shortly after a product's release.

If you want true analog delay at least you can turn off the digital delay and run it through whatever processor you want. I see the digital delay as a convenience and "nice addition" but my expectations on these small format synths are based on my experience with Volcas like on the Volca keys . Maybe you are coming from a different place.

@ WOK: "All-Analog Audio Path" is my issue. So no, control paths including midi, envelopes and LFO's don't apply.

A signal/audio path has a source and and output. Where is the "all-analog audio path" output that doesn't include digitally processed audio if the delay is being used, given the only output is the summed final output?

[WOK]

A signal/audio path has a source and and output. Where is the "all-analog audio path" output that doesn't include digitally processed audio if the delay is being used, given the only output is the summed final output?

So just set "delay mix" to zero and the audio coming out of the synth was all passing analog circuitry only.

F&cking Germans and their long words.

We have another word that matches parts of this thread: "Korinthenkacker" 

[OneOfManyPauls]

A signal/audio path has a source and and output. Where is the "all-analog audio path" output that doesn't include digitally processed audio if the delay is being used, given the only output is the summed final output?

So just set "delay mix" to zero and the audio coming out of the synth was all passing analog circuitry only.

yeah, I might have mentioned that once or twice already...

[OneOfManyPauls]

The good news is that this has been clarified. Some of us said statements like "analog where it matters" which sums it up with enough accuracy for me and probably many others.

Regardless, if you are going to get into the details the information has been laid bare and as a matter of perspective IK's description of the analog signal path mirrors much of their competition. If you decide to buy one there will be few surprises as you have asked questions that are pertinent to you. I don't think that anyone is hiding anything with nefarious intentions We live in a pretty transparent world as far as product reviews go with everything from unboxing to teardowns appearing shortly after a product's release.

If you want true analog delay at least you can turn off the digital delay and run it through whatever processor you want. I see the digital delay as a convenience and "nice addition" but my expectations on these small format synths are based on my experience with Volcas like on the Volca keys . Maybe you are coming from a different place.

It's not about what I want - it's about the way its worded. At the price I expected it to be a digital delay, but then they are promoting it as an "all-analog audio path" synth. Which it isn't if you use the delay and count an audio path as including the actual audio output.

Not a big deal ultimately, but it's avoidable - like their competitors who use wording that leaves no doubt (I quoted DSI and behringer's wording a few posts back).

At some point I expect to be labelled an analog zealot, but I'm really not. I generally prefer the sound of analog synths, but I am also very happy with synths like the Peak and Prophet 12. And my volca keys too.

[Mushy Mushy]

We have another word that matches parts of this thread: "Korinthenkacker" 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korinthenkacker

[MrWildBunnycat]

I swear the argument of "analog" vs "digital" is starting to become audiophile levels of stupid.

Ridiculous myths born out of lack of understanding of electronic design and hearing bias perpetuated over and over, morphed into some sort of extreme form of circlej*erk which takes over any common sense, rooting itself as a cancerous de-facto holy grail of " best sound , listen to all the wide range of sounds".

Endlessly chasing something that was once thrown away, discarded as inferior technology. Spending more on less and then justifying it by bringing up fallacies and biased points of view, while at the same time ignoring valid arguments by constantly repeating the same "show me X for Y$ that has the exact same Z features".

All objective analysis and critique of existing and lacking features has been ignored and overthrown in favour of subjective hailing of the product as some sort of second coming of whatever prophet (pun intended).

It's HILARIOUS because I hear "*grumble grumble*, the path is not fully analog! The delay is digital!" followed almost immediately by essentially "Oh well... I GUESS THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO DO THIS AT THE PRICE".

I'm gonna go grab the popcorn.
However, so far the plot has been same-y with the same "don't you dare criticize the thing I pre-ordered" undertones

[perpetual3]

while at the same time ignoring valid arguments by constantly repeating the same "show me X for Y$ that has the exact same Z features".

All objective analysis and critique of existing and lacking features has been ignored and overthrown in favour of subjective hailing of the product as some sort of second coming of whatever prophet (pun intended).

Well said.

[OneOfManyPauls]

I think we've reached peak strawman.

[SLiC]

I think we've reached peak strawman.

I doubt it

Having followed this threads the 2 camps seem to be 'its a cool little musical gadget' or 'there are better cool little musical gadgets for the money'.

I don't think anyone is saying this is the ultimate synth, and I could not give a monkeys about the signal path (love my 100% digital OP-1 )

[Scotty]

+1

I think we've reached peak strawman.

I doubt it

Having followed this threads the 2 camps seem to be 'its a cool little musical gadget' or 'there are better cool little musical gadgets for the money'.

I don't think anyone is saying this is the ultimate synth, and I could not give a monkeys about the signal path (love my 100% digital OP-1 )

[acid alex]

I wonder if IK will release any more of these units, maybe a little drum machine. Would be cool.

[SLiC]

I wonder if IK will release any more of these units, maybe a little drum machine. Would be cool.

They have basically said (hinted) there are more...my guess would be drums- 8 voice analogue drums for 199 would be pretty cool...