Making music vs Performing It

[jancivil]

[jancivil]

[bermudagold]

another one in DC saturday night

[trampofnine]

Surely it isn't a making music/performing it dichotomy. Here's a show that is totally improvised with users voting on virtually everything: key, song title, drum loops etc. So here we have both making music and performing it in a unique Twitch set up; nobody else to my knowledge is doing this on Twitch or anywhere else:

[jancivil]

The thing I have never understood is why guitar wanking is considered so much worse than other forms of 'wanking'.

Commercial R and B is filled with (especially female) performers singing 4 extra notes for every note of the melody. Talk about whole songs filled with 'wanking'. And yet, I haven't seen such performers get 10% of the abuse guitarists get.

YES. There is an awful lot of pointless melisma in music today (moreso than I think in the past) which is supposed to make us think there's a lot of feeling or even sincerity, but it so often works to disguise the fact that there isn't anything underneath it to inspire such excess.

4 extraneous notes? It's much worse than that in so many cases.

anyway, if you want a lot of notes, this is how it's done

[dark water]

The thing I have never understood is why guitar wanking is considered so much worse than other forms of 'wanking'.

Commercial R and B is filled with (especially female) performers singing 4 extra notes for every note of the melody. Talk about whole songs filled with 'wanking'. And yet, I haven't seen such performers get 10% of the abuse guitarists get.

YES. There is an awful lot of pointless melisma in music today (moreso than I think in the past) which is supposed to make us think there's a lot of feeling or even sincerity, but it so often works to disguise the fact that there isn't anything underneath it to inspire such excess.

4 extraneous notes? It's much worse than that in so many cases.
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Yep, I hate that and it just makes the singer (to my mind) sound fake - and the arrangement cynical and unimaginative - during that part of the song.
It's a bit like all that grunting in tennis. Somewhere along the line about 25 years ago, it suddenly became not just fashionable but actually important for female tennis players to grunt ferociously when hitting the ball - and often as an attempt to put the opponent off. The likes of mega champions such as Graf and Navaratilova never used to grunt loudly. Now it seems to be coached into nearly every top tennis player (both female and male) that they must grunt loudly, or else they can't be putting enough effort in...
To bring it back to female singing, I look forward to the day when the fad for farting loudly during "that emotional part of the chorus" takes off. Until then, I will assume that the singers aren't really putting in "110% real effort."

[donkey tugger]

I get bored quite quickly of solos, whereas I can watch someone who's good at picking for ages....

[Jace-BeOS]

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It's a bit like all that grunting in tennis. Somewhere along the line about 25 years ago, it suddenly became not just fashionable but actually important for female tennis players to grunt ferociously when hitting the ball - and often as an attempt to put the opponent off. The likes of mega champions such as Graf and Navaratilova never used to grunt loudly. Now it seems to be coached into nearly every top tennis player (both female and male) that they must grunt loudly, or else they can't be putting enough effort in...

During my brief time in track & field in high school, I was told that grunting actually helped in shot put. This was before Wikipedia and google, so I didn't attempt to debunk it.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Surely Yngwie Malmsteen is the King of notes, making him the biggest wanker ?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

So here we have both making music and performing it in a unique Twitch set up; nobody else to my knowledge is doing this on Twitch or anywhere else:

Imogen Heap did Live Improvisations at the end of each of her concert dates in a 2010 charity (I think) tour. She took prompts for key, tempo, melody, lyrics etc.from the audience, and then riffed/improvised with them

[ghettosynth]

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It's a bit like all that grunting in tennis. Somewhere along the line about 25 years ago, it suddenly became not just fashionable but actually important for female tennis players to grunt ferociously when hitting the ball - and often as an attempt to put the opponent off. The likes of mega champions such as Graf and Navaratilova never used to grunt loudly. Now it seems to be coached into nearly every top tennis player (both female and male) that they must grunt loudly, or else they can't be putting enough effort in...

During my brief time in track & field in high school, I was told that grunting actually helped in shot put. This was before Wikipedia and google, so I didn't attempt to debunk it.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0192939

Grunting is pervasive in many athletic contests, and empirical evidence suggests that it may result in one exerting more physical force. It may also distract one's opponent. That grunts can distract was supported by a study showing that it led to an opponent being slower and more error prone when viewing tennis shots. An alternative explanation was that grunting masks the sound of a ball being hit. The present study provides evidence against this alternative explanation by testing the effect of grunting in a sport—mixed martial arts—where distraction, rather than masking, is the most likely mechanism.

[Frantz]

If I grunt when I press play on my DAW, will it perform better?

[ghettosynth]

If I grunt when I press play on my DAW, will it perform better?

Only if there's someone else in the house that you're trying to distract. Hence, for many KVR readers, it makes more sense to grunt when you press "buy now."

[herodotus]

[rp314]

I get bored quite quickly of solos, whereas I can watch someone who's good at picking for ages....

Some are pretty good at doing both...





Oh, the good old days...