I literally have this conversation. Every. Time. ..with my clients when they question why new clients get a better deal than they did the year earlier (leases). It's the nature of the beast. Purchasing anything at any given time is a risk. One has to weigh the benefits against the risk and act accordingly.chk071 wrote:Don't think i'll ever get this "I feel mistreated" attitude when things go on sale.
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- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
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- KVRAF
- 35439 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
For me, products going on sale have a massive advantage against static prices, also for the customers. It allows the early adopters to get what they're after, right now, and it allows the people who need to watch their expenses to get stuff they normally couldn't or wouldn't be able to afford. I find it especially beneficial for audio software, because, let's be honest, it's all very expensive, because it's such a small market.
I wouldn't even know where the game branche would be now, if they hadn't sales after a year, where 50 € games get sold for 10-20 €. It surely produces a LOT of additional sales, in time where they usually would have no sales at all.
I wouldn't even know where the game branche would be now, if they hadn't sales after a year, where 50 € games get sold for 10-20 €. It surely produces a LOT of additional sales, in time where they usually would have no sales at all.
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Agreed, though I'm pretty sure the entitled "gimme everything now and give it to me free" generation will disagree with us.chk071 wrote:For me, products going on sale have a massive advantage against static prices, also for the customers. It allows the early adopters to get what they're after, right now, and it allows the people who need to watch their expenses to get stuff they normally couldn't or wouldn't be able to afford. I find it especially beneficial for audio software, because, let's be honest, it's all very expensive, because it's such a small market.
I wouldn't even know where the game branche would be now, if they hadn't sales after a year, where 50 € games get sold for 10-20 €. It surely produces a LOT of additional sales, in time where they usually would have no sales at all.
* Note: that comment is NOT directed towards anyone in this thread.
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- KVRAF
- 2351 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA
But then there are companies like PSP and FabFilter who have cumulative discounts so the more products you own, the greater discount you get. I do get annoyed that Props lure new customers with freebies but rarely do anything similar to appreciate longtime customers who have kept their company afloat over the years.EnochLight wrote:I literally have this conversation. Every. Time. ..with my clients when they question why new clients get a better deal than they did the year earlier (leases). It's the nature of the beast. Purchasing anything at any given time is a risk. One has to weigh the benefits against the risk and act accordingly.chk071 wrote:Don't think i'll ever get this "I feel mistreated" attitude when things go on sale.
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- KVRAF
- 35439 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I'm 100% positive that some would argue that that is unfair towards the people who are new to their products. And so the cycle continues, on and on, because everyone is just hanging to their own personal view, without seeing a bigger picture, or actually realizing that both sides benefit from market dynamics.Winstontaneous wrote: But then there are companies like PSP and FabFilter who have cumulative discounts so the more products you own, the greater discount you get.
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
I hear you. I feel the same way about Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Whenever I lease, there always seems to be a better deal out 6 months after I sign my contract. It's been like that for over 20 years and drives me crazy. Their "loyalty" programs are worthless.Winstontaneous wrote:I do get annoyed that Props lure new customers with freebies but rarely do anything similar to appreciate longtime customers who have kept their company afloat over the years.
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- KVRian
- 537 posts since 23 Jan, 2008 from Hamburg, Germany
I'm a customer since ReBirth RB-338 1.0 and I think it is totally ok that new users get get some benefits and stuff to get them started. The amount of free stuff is a bit questionable as often a new full version of the base application is much cheaper than a naked update for existing users when you subtract all the free stuff. But that's the way it is. I'm a developer myself and I know that a company can only exist with a constant stream of new customers (or by going subscription only but that's another topic).Winstontaneous wrote:But then there are companies like PSP and FabFilter who have cumulative discounts so the more products you own, the greater discount you get. I do get annoyed that Props lure new customers with freebies but rarely do anything similar to appreciate longtime customers who have kept their company afloat over the years.
What I really really really hate are ads in every possible form and shape. So in the last 20 years as a customer of Propellerheads I missed out a lot of free stuff just because I refuse to accept that they constantly flood my inbox with loads of crap. I accept this fact but this doesn't mean that I like it.
So in reality the things are actually not free for existing and loyal customers. These customers will have to actively monitor all social media channels and wade through tons of marketing crap in the newsletters to find the offers. The deal is: Watch all our marketing BS and you'll get a goodie once in a while (but only if you are fast enough to hit the very short time frames).
Just being a loyal customer isn't enough to qualify for free stuff and great offers. This business model is purely marketing driven and not driven by customer satisfaction. That's a shame.
- Banned
- 44 posts since 17 May, 2018
Must be the "American" contracts, that would never happen in foreign countries.EnochLight wrote:I hear you. I feel the same way about Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Whenever I lease, there always seems to be a better deal out 6 months after I sign my contract. It's been like that for over 20 years and drives me crazy. Their "loyalty" programs are worthless.Winstontaneous wrote:I do get annoyed that Props lure new customers with freebies but rarely do anything similar to appreciate longtime customers who have kept their company afloat over the years.
It's time to set the flux capacitor to 2018, bye bye VST2 and 32 bit.
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Perhaps. We tend to do things a little different.poleda wrote:Must be the "American" contracts, that would never happen in foreign countries.EnochLight wrote:I hear you. I feel the same way about Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Whenever I lease, there always seems to be a better deal out 6 months after I sign my contract. It's been like that for over 20 years and drives me crazy. Their "loyalty" programs are worthless.Winstontaneous wrote:I do get annoyed that Props lure new customers with freebies but rarely do anything similar to appreciate longtime customers who have kept their company afloat over the years.
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- 44 posts since 17 May, 2018
I heard the cost of living is lower in other countries, it's an option.EnochLight wrote:
Perhaps. We tend to do things a little different.
It's time to set the flux capacitor to 2018, bye bye VST2 and 32 bit.
- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
please stay on topicpoleda wrote:I heard the cost of living is lower in other countries, it's an option.EnochLight wrote:
Perhaps. We tend to do things a little different.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
- Banned
- 44 posts since 17 May, 2018
In all seriousness though, it looks like Propellerhead is actually making moves and they are finally giving their long time users what they really want.
I'm just a little upset that it didn't happen sooner.
I'm just a little upset that it didn't happen sooner.
It's time to set the flux capacitor to 2018, bye bye VST2 and 32 bit.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I really hope that in a next update or upgrade they solve the tiny size of the old racks. At least the ones produced by Propellerhead themselves!
For example, like the VST small bar when you click it appears the plugin. They could make a larger GUI in that pop-up window
I might buy a 32" 4k monitor soon, but that would make Reason and some old VST instruments unusable. As much as I love these tools but the visibility would make me stop using them. Let's hope there will be a word about it at least by the developers.
For example, like the VST small bar when you click it appears the plugin. They could make a larger GUI in that pop-up window
I might buy a 32" 4k monitor soon, but that would make Reason and some old VST instruments unusable. As much as I love these tools but the visibility would make me stop using them. Let's hope there will be a word about it at least by the developers.
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 26 Sep, 2017 from Berlin
I think Propellerhead is still working on a high resolution GUI. A preview of the new GUI is the Thor iOS App:
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- KVRist
- 462 posts since 21 Nov, 2000 from somewhere over the rainbow
I must confess: after many years of Reason-only I currently have a hard time considering the Upgrade to v10 (being on 9.5) - despite the new openness of Mattias regarding future plans.
It's not that I cannot create nice music any longer (despite the fact that my feature wishlist is looong). But I begin to lose trust in the Reason core being future-proof. It was badly needed at R9 times already, but R10 neglecting any of the aspects like proper multi-core or multi-threading usage or HiDPI support, leaves me puzzled if it's a good idea to invest more money into this ecosystem. More so since new current (tempting) May Madness Sale is ongoing. But with every purchase I would fear the "lock-in" effect more and more...
I really don't know. On the one hand, I'm not willing to switch, too many things I like about Reason. On the other hand I'd like to invest into a future-proof system which plays well with the current state of the art computers.
It's not that I cannot create nice music any longer (despite the fact that my feature wishlist is looong). But I begin to lose trust in the Reason core being future-proof. It was badly needed at R9 times already, but R10 neglecting any of the aspects like proper multi-core or multi-threading usage or HiDPI support, leaves me puzzled if it's a good idea to invest more money into this ecosystem. More so since new current (tempting) May Madness Sale is ongoing. But with every purchase I would fear the "lock-in" effect more and more...
I really don't know. On the one hand, I'm not willing to switch, too many things I like about Reason. On the other hand I'd like to invest into a future-proof system which plays well with the current state of the art computers.