Bye bye VST2

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KVRAF
2332 posts since 31 Aug, 2011

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:24 am


ghettosynth
KVRAF
11097 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:26 am

It will be YEARS before this sorts itself out.

EnGee
KVRAF
4779 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from New Zealand

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:30 am

Half of my synths don't support VST3 but I'm still using Cubase 9 which supports VST2. Anyway, there are still hosts don't support VST3, so what the plugins developer should do?!
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4274 posts since 8 Jun, 2009 from UK

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:32 am

EnGee wrote:so what the plugins developer should do?!
Work on a standard where they're not held hostage by a single vendor. It's not a realistic option but it's the only one that will sort out this mess.

ghettosynth
KVRAF
11097 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:33 am

EnGee wrote:Half of my synths don't support VST3 but I'm still using Cubase 9 which supports VST2. Anyway, there are still hosts don't support VST3, so what the plugins developer should do?!
People will either use the old release or backport VST3 changes, if possible, for some time yet.

Elektronisch
KVRAF
2239 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:45 am

Yet i have to see what advantages VST3 offer over VST2 in real-world because so far those vst3 versions of synths i have do not do anything better :)

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Aloysius
KVRAF
22072 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from a computer

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 1:52 am

Bye bye Steinberg.
I didn't get where I am today ...

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whyterabbyt
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26120 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:05 am

We appreciate that developers and users alike gravitate strongly toward the VST 3 interface that comes with many technological advancements.
bollocks.
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mcbpete
KVRian
1217 posts since 24 Jun, 2006 from London, England

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:13 am

"Since 2008, the SDK for the third iteration of VST, VST 3, has been available and since then efforts are focused entirely on the further development of VST 3." - Weird, as the SDK has been out for a decade how come DAW developers (well, Ableton anyway) have dragged their heels so much in supporting it. Do you have to pay Steinberg to use the libraries ?

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KVRer
29 posts since 13 May, 2018

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:19 am

mcbpete wrote:Weird, as the SDK has been out for a decade how come DAW developers (well, Ableton anyway) have dragged their heels so much in supporting it. Do you have to pay Steinberg to use the libraries ?
no but afaik the sdk is bloated and it is a pita to implement things like MIDI.

Kr3eM
KVRist
364 posts since 1 Sep, 2007

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:30 am

#mevst2

Chemik
KVRist
200 posts since 18 Mar, 2003 from Jacksonville, FL

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:39 am

I stopped installing vst3 versions of my software over a year ago as they were incredibly unstable for me with no clear advantages. This should be fun to watch.
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16915 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:54 am

10 years and VST3 is still not as widely acclaimed as Steiny had hoped (because they over-engineered the interface and made some really bad calls like not supporting MIDI learn etc.). Getting desperate there, obviously.

PAK
KVRian
703 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:57 am

The post is missing an ever so small detail..
Steinberg wrote:VST 2 compatibility with Steinberg VST hosts will remain
So this is really about devs - at least for now. If they removed host VST2 support it'd be a dumb move on their part. Though, in reality, even if they went that far, all that would happen is you'd get more VST3's which could host VST2's in response.

In short.. VST2 will be around, even in Steinberg hosts, for a long time to come.. whether Steinberg themselves want that or not. The real on-coming train for backwards compatibility will be any moves to ARM processors, and dumb desperation response moves from Microsoft 365, which most people still know as "Windows", unaware of all the clown moves (people frequently mistake cloud and clown) Microsoft have been performing.

As for Steinberg themselves, they seem perfectly happy to have a dwindling base of ageing users whom they charge increasingly expensive yearly upgrades to.

The problem with VST2, just like MIDI, is it's "good enough" for most uses, and VST3 didn't offer enough differences for it to be demanded by users. Any new standard needs significant major advantages to displace a dominant existing standard, like providing an easier way to tap into the compute power of graphics cards or whatever..
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Dasheesh
KVRAF
2642 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: Bye bye VST2

Post Thu May 17, 2018 2:59 am

I know U-he has refused to implement it because it renders thier plugs unstable.

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