KVR Audio

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:01 pm

v1o wrote:Steinberg have dismally failed with VST3. Somebody needs to petition Yamaha Corp to take hand over control of the VST standard.

ftfy. needs to be in the hands of an independent body of plugin and daw developers.

tapiodmitriyevich · Post by **tapiodmitriyevich** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:07 pm

Who is Steinberg? They are more and more obsolete and only please old veterans. Innovation happens somewhere else and they can't offer innovation to their aging target audience, which still has wet dreams about their youth and outdated 80s synths. Maybe they are aging as well... Many new DAWs and devs today. I always install the 64 bit VST2 versions of plugins, if possible.
There won't be a problem though. "Sturm im Wasserglas", as we say.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:19 pm

Well, even if there was a standard which was automagically so much better (OSC seems to be better on the paper than MIDI as well… fact is that industry is so slow to adapt to things, and that OSC is such a PITA to set up (i looked into it...), that it doesn't have the slightest chance to supersede MIDI in foreseeable future), if hosts support the established formats, there will be very little need for developer to develop for the new format. Also, the old caricature about the implementation of yet another standard holds true as well.

Dunno if this discussion is not exaggerated a bit though. As i mentioned, the linked article doesn't say much more than the SDK not being available anymore, which is true for a couple of years now, AFAIK. And, it should be pretty obvious that Steinberg tries to push devs to support VST3 more and more now as well, as long as VST3 exists now.

And, my own opinion is that i don't have many drawbacks using the VST3 versions. Dmitry Sches' Thorn, for example, works great in the VST3 version.

I also have the feeling that - some devs choose to complain, while others just write their plugins as VST3's.

lobanov · Post by **lobanov** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:37 pm

v1o wrote:They also need to support more platforms such as Linux and Android.

VST3 supports Linux. Officially.

http://cdm.link/2017/03/steinberg-bring ... od-things/

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:39 pm

I want Direct X back as the plugin standard.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:43 pm

robotmonkey wrote:I want Direct X back as the plugin standard.

Use Cakewalk by Bandlab.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 2:53 pm

layzer wrote:
you're like, i can cook better than you because my pot is bigger.
i'm like....

is there anywhere i can listen to your fantastic 64bit vst3 music to convince me of this? come on, lets hear it.....

I'm not quite sure you're smelling what I'm cooking...

It's like explaining to the guy that still licks the stamps and pays their bills by mail, then waits for the post office to do their magic. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has moved to on-line payments.

The future looks bright for the Internet (VST3), as for the Post Office (VST2), it's looking a little outdated.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:00 pm

Give us something stable or you'll learn it the hard way.
Give us rubbish and you'll lose your customers.

I for one never install the vst3. Always the vst2.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:03 pm

Stefken wrote:Give us something stable or you'll learn it the hard way.
Give us rubbish and you'll lose your customers.

I for one never install the vst3. Always the vst2.

Maybe VST3 isn't stable on your system configuration. The problem isn't the industry standard, it's mostly operator error, poor programming or lack of and personal opinions.

Seriously, if a developer is still dragging their feet after all this time, well maybe there's something else going on...

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:17 pm

chk071 wrote:
robotmonkey wrote:I want Direct X back as the plugin standard.
Use Cakewalk by Bandlab.

Or Reaper, hehe.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:20 pm

poleda wrote:Seriously, if a developer is still dragging their feet after all this time, well maybe there's something else going on...

Maybe you should read some discussions in developer subforum here and how they think/feel about VST3.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:26 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
poleda wrote:Seriously, if a developer is still dragging their feet after all this time, well maybe there's something else going on...
Maybe you should read some discussions in developer subforum here and how they think/feel about VST3.

I don't really care about independent developers' personal opinions on the industry standard. I use products made by companies that are on the leading edge of innovation.

I drive a modern car too, I'm not into classics, because they break down too much.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 pm

As long as it's not embraced by everyone it can hardly be called an industry standard. Kinda hate that term.

But it's not about individual developer's feelings, rather than showcasing how VST3 wasn't designed very well from the get go. Over-engineered in fact (which is even worse).

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:31 pm

EvilDragon wrote:As long as it's not embraced by everyone it can hardly be called an industry standard. Kinda hate that term.

I'm not sure you've gotten the memo, but VST2 is out the door. You might want to "embrace" reality.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:32 pm

I'm embracing the reality in which there are still more hosts which support VST2 than VST3. "Out the door" doesn't mean it stops working and that it's automatically bad. "The memo" is pretty ridiculous, really.

Bye bye VST2