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v1o · Post by **v1o** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:03 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
v1o wrote:Steinberg have dismally failed with VST3. Somebody needs to petition Yamaha Corp to take hand over control of the VST standard.
ftfy. needs to be in the hands of an independent body of plugin and daw developers.

Yes given to a body of industry players. Sort of like the organisation that’s in charge of the maintaining the USB standard.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:03 pm

poleda wrote:
wagtunes wrote:That tells me nothing about the advantages. Does VST 3 work better? Does it make my plugins more stable? Does it reduce memory usage? I mean come on man, give me an ADVANTAGE.

You've given me nothing.
It's not my job to convince you of the future, sorry.

I'm not asking for the future. I'm asking for right now. What makes VST 3 better than VST 2 RIGHT NOW?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:06 pm

poleda wrote:Do you truly think a company can survive the future without eventually adopting VST3?

Absolutely. Some major players and a LOT of minor players have survived for 10 years already. They can do so for 10 more years at the very least.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:06 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Give me something tangible like that in regard to VST 3 vs VST 2.

Industry standard support and maintenance is pretty much the core of any software's longevity and survival.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:06 pm

You're laughable, man. Almost sound like a Steinberg shill

Steinberg does shit support btw and have done fu.k all to improve VST3's pain points.

SMH · Post by **SMH** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:07 pm

wagtunes wrote:
poleda wrote:
wagtunes wrote:That tells me nothing about the advantages. Does VST 3 work better? Does it make my plugins more stable? Does it reduce memory usage? I mean come on man, give me an ADVANTAGE.

You've given me nothing.
It's not my job to convince you of the future, sorry.
I'm not asking for the future. I'm asking for right now. What makes VST 3 better than VST 2 RIGHT NOW?

Bigger number of course!

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:07 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
poleda wrote:Do you truly think a company can survive the future without eventually adopting VST3?
Absolutely. Some major players and a LOT of minor players have survived for 10 years already. They can do so for 10 more years at the very least.

I guess we'll see what the future holds, especially after they drop support for VST2.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:08 pm

poleda wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:
poleda wrote:Do you truly think a company can survive the future without eventually adopting VST3?
Absolutely. Some major players and a LOT of minor players have survived for 10 years already. They can do so for 10 more years at the very least.
I guess we'll see what the future holds, especially after they drop support for VST2.

Yeh maybe in 20 years.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:08 pm

EvilDragon wrote:You're laughable, man. Almost sound like a Steinberg shill Steinberg does shit support btw.

You know the first sign of a personal attack usually means the person is actually admitting defeat on their stance in a debate, argument or discussion. Just saying...

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:09 pm

I'm not admitting any defeat. You didn't provide anything tangible to the discussion, except your crystal ball prophecies. Which can be as bad a guess as any.

But that your posts are prophetically laughable, that they are.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:10 pm

EvilDragon wrote:I'm not admitting any defeat. You didn't provide anything tangible to the discussion, except your crystal ball prophecies. Which can be as bad a guess as any.

But that your posts are prophetically laughable, that they are.

No your reactions speak louder then typing.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:12 pm

If Steinberg would release a modern, backwards compatible VST4 API that showed that they have learned from the clusterf##k they created with VST3 and would actually offer advanced functionality for endusers and make life easier (instead of harder) for developers (who already have their plates full to the brim), I'm sure the adoption rate could actually be quite good.

Just dropping VST2 support won't make VST3 any better or more useful to the enduser.
I personally so far haven't found a single benefit to using VST3 over VST2 in any of my hosts.

VST2 doesn't actually need to be "supported" it already works just fine.

VST3 is not anything like "the future", it's mostly a failed attempt to be clever - How can they even create a plugin API that can't output proper Midi?

And if you deliver a failed product and then try to pressure people into actually using it, it's an additional tick on the fail-meter, not a solution.

Cheers,

Tom

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:13 pm

EvilDragon wrote:VST4 would just complicate things much more than they already are...

Because of the fact that VST3 is a colossal failure and its name alone leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths. VST4 needs to happen.

VST4 has to be backwards compatible with earlier versions including both VST2 and 3. It shouldn’t break things that developers have already learned over the years, or any plugins that worked before and should instead introduce new features/innovations whilst guaranteeing back compat.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:14 pm

VST2 and VST3 are so different in essence I can't really see how VST4 could be backwards compatible to both...

But yes. Thomas raised some very good points. VST2 doesn't need "support" (Steinberg's shit at it anyways) because it already works great.

poleda · Post by **poleda** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:16 pm

poleda wrote:
layzer wrote:
you're like, i can cook better than you because my pot is bigger.
i'm like....

is there anywhere i can listen to your fantastic 64bit vst3 music to convince me of this? come on, lets hear it.....
I'm not quite sure you're smelling what I'm cooking...

It's like explaining to the guy that still licks the stamps and pays their bills by mail, then waits for the post office to do their magic. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has moved to on-line payments.

The future looks bright for the Internet (VST3), as for the Post Office (VST2), it's looking a little outdated.

I leave this endless discussion with my final "prediction" of the future for VST...

Bye bye VST2