Mushy Mushy wrote:Nothing I make, listen to, talk about, dream about, etc etc etc is EDM. EDM is a term coined by Americans for all the rubbish commercial dance music (think Avicii, Afrojack, Tiesto, LCD Soundsystem, the list goes on and on and on and on). Yes, there are many other forms of electronic dance music but they're not EDM. For example, Drum & Bass could hardly be classed in the EDM category despite the best efforts of mainstream media.
I've highlighted the acronym and the words it represents. You may think of EDM as some kind of narrowly construed thing but to all of us on the outside it is a catch-all for every type of dance music made with synths, plus a few that maybe aren't, in the same way that rock is music mostly made with electric guitars. Even with Rock sub-genres there is always a "Rock" at the end of it, although it is sometimes only implied. e.g. You might say "Heavy Metal" or "Punk" but you mean "Heavy Metal Rock" or "Punk Rock" and that's what people hear. And when you typed "Drum & Bass" above, I read "EDM" because that's what it is to me. I have a vague idea what it is but if you played me a D&B track and, say, a straight techno track side-by-side, I doubt I'd know which was which. It's all just EDM to me.
To see the other side, look at what gets categorised as Post-Punk. Artists from Tones On Tail or The Passage to Killing Joke and New Model Army. They sound nothing alike, except there is something about what they do or the way they see the world or go about their music, a very fine thread, that ties them together. There is more variety in that one genre than in the whole of electronic dance music, yet it makes perfect sense to call it all Post-Punk.
So a bit like a guitar then?
No, absolutely nothing like a guitar. There are many different guitars and bands within the same sub-genres will use all of them. e.g. You'll find both Gibson Les Pauls and Fender Stratocasters are the dominant guitars used in every kind of rock music, from the softest of Soft Rock to the heaviest of Heavy Metal Rock. Ditto for the Fender Precision Bass. Yet you'll still find other guitars used randomly around the place. e.g. Geordie from Killing Joke mostly uses a Gretsch Semi-Acoustic, not unlike the one George Harrison of The Beatles made famous in the early 60s, to make the most full-on wall of sound you'll ever hear. Most guitarists concentrate on the instrument they most like to play and worry about getting the sound they want after that. They don't think about their instruments like an EDM artist at all.
That seems to have done extremely well several decades later. Remember the synth can be run through an infinite number of FX - distortion plays a big part in defining the sound. 25 years on and I still constantly hear things from these "same" instruments that blow me away.
Absolutely, but my point is that you can't use whichever one you feel like to make a specific genre of EDM, can you? The choice of instrument almost defines which genre the music will be categorised as. Or at least the type of sound you use, whereas I can use any instrument, any sound, any tempo I feel like and what I make will always be EBM. I could even add guitars to it and substitute the drum machines for a real drummer and it would still be EBM.
Even then, it would still just be our little corner of EBM, we could never hope to cover the full gamut of what the genre encompasses, even if we wanted to. Don't you think it's better to have a genre that is bigger than your imagination and/or creative ability, rather than genres that confine and restrict those qualities? I think that's why a lot of artists don't like being stuck with a genre label, they find the whole idea too oppressive, too restrictive.
This is excellent that you feel this way and the following comment definitely isn't personal but I don't want you to like it.
The point isn't whether or not I like it, the point is there isn't sufficient difference between genres for the casual listener to be able to tell one from the other, let alone which is which. Sometimes the same is true of other genres - are AC/DC Hard Rock or Heavy Metal? (You certainly can't tell by their instruments.) But those are exceptions, not the rule.
Part of the appeal is because they're not commercial and nobody within a 20 mile square radius will ever have heard of them.
I don't understand that attitude, it seems incredibly selfish. I'd be the happiest man alive if the music I loved was Top 10 and everybody listened to it and enjoyed it and I heard it on the radio and in shops everywhere I went. To be clear, I'm talking about Post-Punk, not the EBM we make, so it's not about creating more opportunities for our own music but about being a world where people were more open to new experiences.
Acid (or at least the hard London variant I like) doesn't pretend to be accessible, the attitude is "if you don't like it then get the fk out".
See, that makes me laugh. To me it's more like "excuse me, sir, but if you are not enjoying this music, perhaps you'd like to move along, if it's not too much trouble, sir. Thanking you ever so much, sir, for your understanding
." There is nothing even remotely "f*ck off" about it, it's really quite tame.
Nope, 25 years of listening to it later and my love continues to grow. I'll go to my grave listening to a acid, psy, death metal mashup.
To me that sounds like listening to the same three albums over and over again for the rest of your life. I hope to go to my grave listening to amazing music that I don't even know exists today. The music I listen to today is just like that - 10 years ago I didn't even realise Post-Punk was a genre, even though maybe a third of my collection fitted into it. Now it's probably what I listen to 75% of the time. Discovering it as a genre, when I'd previously thought it was just a point in time, has broadened my outlook considerably and allowed me to enjoy music that you'll probably never even get to experience with such a closed minded attitude.