Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[hvyen]

GUI: The best I‘ve seen and used so far. I couldn‘t create presets so fast without it. Good that you won‘t change it.

XP‘s: Some are not everybody‘s taste other are. But all these XP‘s are so well made and you get tons of stuff with every single one. I like the new Dubstep XP. Did you see how much drumkits, wavetables and multisamples it has? It doesn‘t matter if Dubstep, EDM... is already dead or not. You can always use these sounds (of course the sounds of every XP) anytime and for any kind of music you like. A certain XP of its genre just shows you a direction, an example what you can do with it. The presets it contains are not only designed to be used for the genre it is named. For instance Cinematic sounds fit very well in a trance song, Dubsteb sounds in a Cinematic song and so on. Maybe a genre can be out of date, presets never will!

[Wavegem]

The dubstep demo sounds like a wannabe dubstep producer made it. It doesn’t sound authentic, it’s like a mix of different genres mashed together being called dubstep. Cheesy, redundant sounds. Expansions shouldn’t cost more than a new synth. 30 bucks is a better price point. You guys are ripping people off

[msvs]

We force no one to buy. Even if we would charge 150€ per expansion, its up to you to purchase or not. Avenger is an open system, you do not need expansions at all if you dont want. Or you buy third party stuff if you like them.
30€ will NEVER happen, its over 3 month of daily work to do such a pack. Its always interesting here how people think to know what the best suiting price for a product is they do not even own. You forgot to mention, that if we lower the price to 30€ we would sell tons more and earn endless money!

[chk071]

Manuel, i somehow miss a link the Vengeance site in the OP, or in your signature or profile. I could Google, yeah, but, i think it's much more straight forward for people interested in Avenger to provide a link here. Unless i missed something, of course.

[hvyen]

The price for the XP‘s is known before the purchase of it and it’s always the same since dinosaurs controlled this planet. So nobody is ripped off! Cheers.

[msvs]

Manuel, i somehow miss a link the Vengeance site in the OP, or in your signature or profile. I could Google, yeah, but, i think it's much more straight forward for people interested in Avenger to provide a link here. Unless i missed something, of course.

updated, thx

[chk071]

Thanks.

[hvyen]

...next XP is the complete opposite: an Retrowave 80s XP.

Sounds interesting!

[Armadillo]

msvs:
Any plans for a Future Bass expansion?
Also, I think I read something about a guitar expansion a while back? It'd be interesting to see how that pans out.

[resurrection]

The UI is a big no-no.

...and for many of us, one of the biggest attractions of the synth.

(we're really still having this conversation on p482?!)

Hey, this is the first and the last time I make a comment about the UI. I'm not bitching! Just thought that if they gather pros and cons - I'll give my vote, hopefully it would result in a better product later on.

[chk071]

It would help if you described WHY exactly the GUI is a no-no for you.

[hvyen]

Just a moment! I think he likes it! it's very simple mathematics: no-no is like minus and minus - the result is therefore positive.

[Wavegem]

We force no one to buy. Even if we would charge 150€ per expansion, its up to you to purchase or not. Avenger is an open system, you do not need expansions at all if you dont want. Or you buy third party stuff if you like them.
30€ will NEVER happen, its over 3 month of daily work to do such a pack. Its always interesting here how people think to know what the best suiting price for a product is they do not even own. You forgot to mention, that if we lower the price to 30€ we would sell tons more and earn endless money!

You really spent 3 months full time building these????

[hvyen]

At least! Tweaking preset, creating multisamples, finding the perfect loop points, making useful wavetables and shapes, drum design until you have a nice drum kit building the drum sequences. SQ presets: takes a day until you have the perfect sequence. Then all the macro assignments, mod matrix settings and naming the presets, writing the comments and and and...! After that it‘s done? No! Creating demo songs, mixing and mastering until you have the right master demo! Finetuning, changing, sorting out, creating new stuff and so on. Final step: Quality assurance. 3 months is too much? I would say 3 - 6 month is normal. You can’t compare Avenger XP‘s with (for instance) Spire XP‘s which can be created in a week.

[msvs]

We force no one to buy. Even if we would charge 150€ per expansion, its up to you to purchase or not. Avenger is an open system, you do not need expansions at all if you dont want. Or you buy third party stuff if you like them.
30€ will NEVER happen, its over 3 month of daily work to do such a pack. Its always interesting here how people think to know what the best suiting price for a product is they do not even own. You forgot to mention, that if we lower the price to 30€ we would sell tons more and earn endless money!

You really spent 3 months full time building these????

yes. The Cinematic 2 I am working on is taking 6 months already. Some SQ presets take me one WHOLE working day from 8am to 10pm. Not kidding. And I am a quick worker, since I know EVERYTHING in Avenger. Then Drumkit creation several weeks, multisampling, wavetables, Macro assignments (!) etc. And in the end one more >3 weeks of demo arrangement and video.
Like Hyven said, its not just a simple virus or spire bank. I could make 3 of these per month. But an Avenger XP is more, than just some lead and pad presets.