ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

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izwun2
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23 posts since 9 Jan, 2010

Post Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:37 am

cturner wrote:I'd appreciate it if, when switching from "preset" bias curves to "custom," that the "preset" settings would be set in the "custom" display as a starting point for further tweaking.
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noiseboyuk
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:39 pm

zynaptiq wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote:I think inherently it will be less interesting to those who like to get forensic with mixes and masters and have the skillset to go with it, and more appealing to those who either need stuff done in a hurry or lack specialist knowledge / experience.
Yes! and.. No!
[snipped reply to save space, but it's all good stuff two pages back]

Thanks for the reply. And btw I'm certainly not one to think my skills at such things are stellar, I have no issue whatsoever with a time-and-skill saver that works. My main concern really is that volume compensation business - it will be very easy to boost your LUFS considerably with Intensity, only to have a streaming service pull them right back to where they were. An honest volume compensation would be absolutely my #1 feature request. I did a little volume compensated test and I like what Intensity can do quite apart from the Loudness boost.
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Neon Breath
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:10 pm

I never understood the need for a plugin manager. Is it that difficult to download the installer of the plugins you need on the dev website, double-click the installer, accept and install. 10 secs... Done. Repeat few times if you have several plugin... At the most it'll take what, 5 minutes if you really have lot of plugins?

Screw that development & support time in such manager Zynaptiq and spend your precious time on amazing and unique high quality plugins as you already do :)
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Fleer
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:15 pm

zynaptiq wrote:I do agree that for people who actually want to use a variety of tools – including their "secret weapon" and their "secret sauce recipe" - anything automatic, regardless of how good it works, will be something they will be less interested in, or highly skeptical of, for a variety of reasons. I get that, fair enough.

(For that clientele: try it with low amount of intensity, maybe 10%, and use the saturate without any extra gain, maybe even lowering it – gives a nice little "magic touch" as one part of the chain).

The self-driving car analogy is a great one, too – some people enjoy maintaining, tuning, and driving their car, some see it as a vehicle and want to get from A to B as efficiently and safely as possible.

In my personal experience though, that preference doesn't correlate with experience or skill level. It's more a question of preference or personality. I know some top end producers/engineers that don't really know or care what the buttons on that UREI thing are supposed to do but they DO know that it'll sound right on a particular sound when they press all of them (so they'll just leave them pressed and hard-wire that box to the channel that always has that particular type of sound playing) – and then go and mix a record that goes platinum and sounds like you wouldn't believe.
Then, of course, there's the opposite where someone thinks he knows-it-all and gets totally upset and disrespectful about any deviation from his "truth"...but has never released even one commercial record.

That's obviously anecdotal and simplified, but it does serve as reasoning for "no correlation between skill and whether one is interested in the journey or reaching the destination" IMHO 8)



appealing to those who either need stuff done in a hurry or lack specialist knowledge

YES, it is great for a quick fix – and nowadays there's nearly never any time for anything as budgets shrink on an hourly basis – and YES, it is also a great way to get results even if you do NOT have a lot of specialized skills.

BUT NO, not JUST in those cases. It's also great if you have time and skill (and top end gear). It's great at the high end stuff, and can make good stuff great.
The thing is actually quite DOPE when you add 5% of intensity and maybe half a dB of saturation. We have some mastering engineers that we involve in some of our field testing and one of them commented "Aw MAN, cut it OUT will ya, I want to keep my **** job :-)!" when he heard INTENSITY.

That said – if a track is already extremely loud and full-bandwidth – which means it's technically approaching white noise! – then there are clear limits to what INTENSITY can do. Which is kinda logical as there's pretty much nothing that can still do a lot in that kind of scenario. Which is why your friendly local mastering engineer will tell you to bring him the unprocessed 2-track.

For example, Skrillex or AVICII or AfroJack etc there really isn't a lot to be gained from adding INTENSITY on top.
Great plugin usage description, thanks :tu:

bbtr
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:28 pm

How regularly are you going to release updates to warrant a 'manager'? Do you plan on doubling or tripling your product range?

The simplest thing would be to make them all available separately on your site, probably with a toolbar where the user can select OS, bit depth and plugin type, and all products for that selection get shown below. (From the ones he owns, that is. All others show up as demos on their product page.)

Caine123
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:26 am

zynaptiq wrote:
Caine123 wrote:denis can you guys please make ONE installer where you can choose 32 bit and 64 bit instead of running 2 installers? :)
We do have that on our wish-list, absolutely (and especially for the ZAP II bundle it'd be great to have one installer for everything). However as trivial as it sounds it's quite a headache mixing bit depths in one context in Windows.

Actually, medium term, we'd love to do a "Zynaptiq stuff manager" that can install plugins, get updates, manage licenses, file support tickets, and manage newsletter subscriptions etc. Would be MUCH easier for the user now that we have quite a bunch of plugins in a bunch of formats and bit depths and binary versions etc. Launch app, click on the "get latest stuff for all of these", done. Or Click "download and install all the things I own". It's not trivial though, companies that have that sort of stuff typically dedicate a department of developers to that that is bigger than our entire team 8)
Thx denis. I hope no plugin manager. We got too many already. I meant just 1 exe which includes 32 and 64 bit :). And where u can select/deselect which versions and paths u wanna use
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cturner
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351 posts since 7 Dec, 2009 from GWB

Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:49 am

Greetings-

I was yakking earlier in the thread about having the Preset Bias Curves available in the Custom Curve control, and so courtesy of DDMF's wonderful Plugin Doctor, I went ahead and made them as user presets:

http://vze26m98.net/kvr/Factory_as_Custom_Presets.zip

They matched very well, but I haven't tested them extensively, so there are bound to be small issues that you could probably address on your own.

Keep in mind that these are full INTENSITY presets, so they'll wipe out whatever you've got set previously. So far no preset system for just the Custom Curves, but that's OK.

Enjoy!
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:36 am

Very cool of you to be so helpful :tu:

Actually, we're working on a subsystem for the custom sliders. Here's a list of what stuff we've noted from user feedback (as well as our own) that we consider our "top wishlist":

  • Switchable range for INTENSITY and GAIN
  • Switchable knee for SATURATE
  • More presets, including of the subtle variety
  • Method to copy a preset bias curve to the CUSTOM sliders as starting point
  • Input trim
  • Loudness/Level Compensation improvements
RE: plugin manager: we don't have any personal preferences there. We're simply reacting on user requests, we've had users ask for
- an "account" where they can manage licenses
- get personalized upgrade paths
- have updates pointed out to them based on what they have specifically
- get all their installers in one place

For *us* there's nothing specific to be gained EXCEPT for our users to be happier. Which would hold value.

If it turns out that the majority of users would NOT be happier...there'd be no value. Very simple :-)

The size of the Windows SUBSPACE installer is mainly down to PACE installers and C++ redistributables being in the package, which only actually be installed if not already present. Plus, it's a WHOLE bunch of binaries if you count the 32/64, VST2, VST3, AAX, RTAS etc variants.
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:17 am

Hello, I'm a very happy user of Zynaptiq Morph and Adaptiverb and I would prefer a separate installer for each product, honestly. Just to tell you my vote about that…
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rrichard63
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207 posts since 14 Oct, 2013 from San Francisco Bay Aea

Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:31 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: ... To that end, I'd definitely be in favour of real volume compensation monitoring. Obviously that has to occur at the end of the signal chain and really shouldn't be too hard. Just average loudness measure bypassed and non-bypassed, and compensate the non-bypassed accordingly. This should be understood as a monitoring feature for quick A/Bing. I don't know how it works in Ozone, but it really does there - do whatever they do!
There are some plugins available that help a lot with this. Three that I have played with are Nugen MasterCheck, Meter Plugs Perception and HOFA 4U+ Blind Test. There's a free version of the HOFA product that works fine.

noiseboyuk
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2429 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:49 am

rrichard63 wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote: ... To that end, I'd definitely be in favour of real volume compensation monitoring. Obviously that has to occur at the end of the signal chain and really shouldn't be too hard. Just average loudness measure bypassed and non-bypassed, and compensate the non-bypassed accordingly. This should be understood as a monitoring feature for quick A/Bing. I don't know how it works in Ozone, but it really does there - do whatever they do!
There are some plugins available that help a lot with this. Three that I have played with are Nugen MasterCheck, Meter Plugs Perception and HOFA 4U+ Blind Test. There's a free version of the HOFA product that works fine.
AFAIK that's all requiring a 2nd step isn't it? A proper a/b on a single click within the plug is what is needed. Happy to see that Zynaptiq are working on it though, happy to wait for that.
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rrichard63
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:41 am

noiseboyuk wrote: ... A proper a/b on a single click within the plug is what is needed. ...
I'm not sure that's possible. Level matching by definition requires some amount of look-ahead.

simon.a.billington
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1412 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:55 am

zynaptiq wrote:Very cool of you to be so helpful :tu:

Actually, we're working on a subsystem for the custom sliders. Here's a list of what stuff we've noted from user feedback (as well as our own) that we consider our "top wishlist":

  • Switchable range for INTENSITY and GAIN
  • Switchable knee for SATURATE
  • More presets, including of the subtle variety
  • Method to copy a preset bias curve to the CUSTOM sliders as starting point
  • Input trim
  • Loudness/Level Compensation improvements
RE: plugin manager: we don't have any personal preferences there. We're simply reacting on user requests, we've had users ask for
- an "account" where they can manage licenses
- get personalized upgrade paths
- have updates pointed out to them based on what they have specifically
- get all their installers in one place

For *us* there's nothing specific to be gained EXCEPT for our users to be happier. Which would hold value.

If it turns out that the majority of users would NOT be happier...there'd be no value. Very simple :-)

The size of the Windows SUBSPACE installer is mainly down to PACE installers and C++ redistributables being in the package, which only actually be installed if not already present. Plus, it's a WHOLE bunch of binaries if you count the 32/64, VST2, VST3, AAX, RTAS etc variants.
When you’re done with that, how about fixing PitchMap so it will run at 96kHz?!?!! :D

Intensity sounds great by the way.

zynaptiq
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:38 am

OK guys, some news, you Ladies and Gentlemen here are the first to know:

1) we've received so many requests that we decided to extend the intro promo to the end of July. Email us if you need a trial extension for evaluating.

2) we're deploying an update (v1.1.0) very soon – this weekend, if nothing unforeseen happens. This update has:
  • Fixed a buffering issue in some hosts and formats; could cause a glitch at the beginning of a region after a period of silence.
  • Added more and reworked some existing factory presets; in general, factory preset bank should now be more "subtle".
  • Added a button that copies the selected preset bias curve to the custom mode sliders and switches BIAS MODE to custom.
There'll be another update addressing precision control over INTENSITY, switchable SATURATE knee, and an improved loudness compensation option. The latter will be a monitoring/comparison option as it is indeed not possible to measure loudness without a latency, and predicting signal dependent stuff isn't sufficiently precise. That said, you will probably be able to just leave that option on if you don't mind a short "settle down" level transition when changing parameters or swapping out the signal.

Thank you all for your feedback!

Enjoy your weekend,
d
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Re: ZYNAPTIQ Intensity

Post Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:08 pm

Way to go, Zynaptiq :tu:

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