Mux modular system by MuTools - your experience? Offers other things than ZEBRA 2?

[nichttuntun]

I could build something but I didn´t find a way to convert this into a usable GUI-synth-surface.

You can design your own front panel:
https://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mux/m ... anels.html

Also, you can modulate any parameter using MUX modulators like LFO, ADSR, Multi-Point Envelope, etc. Check out the Docs, particularly the two "Introduction"
http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/index.html

However, you have quite a lot of gear, so beware of GAS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_Acquisition_Syndrome

Hi, can I really modulate each and every parameter of any given module? I didn´t find that opportunity. What I experienced most modules have less modulation inputs then parameters itself. Maybe there is another routing way?

G.A.S.
Oh yes, I recognized it already. Is there a help group in KVR?
Problem is I had a electro-experimental fun project in the late 90th but I never could quite make the sound I liked to do and so I recorded own noises and used very much the potential of the E-mu E-max II sampler. But recording and mixing was lame due to the lack of better equipment. VSTs back in the days weren´t so great (never used them back in the days). Back then great hardware including mastering, recording and effects-units were soooo expensive and some day I stopped experimenting at home and concentrated on band-work. Now (few years back from today) I discover that plugins have become fantastic and I am totally freaking out about it cause I can produce everything I couldn´t before and experiment the hell out of everything without spending thousands of dollars. Even record, mix and master in high quality. And I love that I can slave my hardware thru my DAW to use all the first class effects und experimental plugins with them. I accustically optimized the room and I am running a little home-recording studio again just for the pure joy sound provides to me...but having heavily the GAS.

I am on a turning point. Needed time to try things out, learned a lot about syntheses and made my experiences. I will de-install all the stuff I don´t really need and heavily concentrate on the best and most complex things like BIO TEK 2, Waverazor, Zebra2, Bazille, BLUE II, MPowersynth, Glitchmachines and such. I thought a modular system like MUX would be a perfect round-up in addition.

Its way more than a modular synth.

I've built gates, triggered gating fx using my own vst library, mastering chains - you name it. It's used in every production for something.

Yes I am aware of that. I am using a hardware or VST-synth and put modular Melda-Stuff for such things via MXXXCore on the channels to process. Melda is huge in building modular effects and in modulating each and every parameter in one module itsself.

[nichttuntun]

I did this for an OSC using only MUX. It was my best finishing OSC ever.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... has-landed

Hi. Haha, I like the track. Reminded me a bit of newer Severed Heads tracks. The sounds you used I like much in context but I think they are quite standard/conventional, what is not so much my cup of tea. Nevertheless I like your work as a whole thing. Great and funny somehow! Thank you for sharing.

Mux is great for granular experimentation. In addition to the grain player, you
can achieve it via Wavetable and probably FM synthesis as well. Although, I
never tried the latter.

That too sounds too good to not try it (wavetable in a modular synth) out more intensly. I love FM you should delve deeper into it. Here is a little demo I made with just 3 presets for a new FM synth from Audio Nebula, called AURORA FM. A pure 6 OP FM synth with some great surprises and for literally no money Nothing special in composition, more a demonstration. The bell-sound and the following modulation sequence is the same preset with just note pressed.
https://soundcloud.com/user-564309669/a ... -my-pocket

[nichttuntun]

Music made only with MUX

Cache
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-80-mux

Thank you. I already listened to all of these tracks a while ago. Beside Taron´s piece there is really nothing which is in any way interesting for me. Neither in sound-design nor in style. Sorry. Please don´t take me wrong I am just honest. I am too much into experimental and musique concrete and things like David Sylvian, earlier Skinny Puppy, some Radiohead, Throbbing Gristle, Herbie Hancock/ Jazz in general, Einstürzende Neubauten, Sonic Youth and early Severed Heads, Wilco, John Cage, Scott Walker, early Pink Floyd and generally into Frank Zappa

So you see, I am picky and with synths it´s exactly the same. They should have something others do not provide and best in an extreme kind of outstanding way. I am spoiled

[pekbro]

I love FM you should delve deeper into it. Here is a little demo I made with just 3 presets for a new FM synth from Audio Nebula, called AURORA FM.

I have that as well as mux and Zebra 2. For me, that is the simple and correct
answer.

-Cheers

[Liero]

MUX is incredible, and its developer is continually updating it. Highly recommended - it has totally changed my workflow!

[ghettosynth]

I own MUX. Next to Reaktor, it is the biggest bottomless pit out there as far as possibilities. I haven't even scratched the surface with it yet.

Download the demo and make sure it works in Cubase 8. I can't say it will because I am still on Cubase 7.

As far as comparing it to Zebra 2, apples and oranges. Zebra 2 isn't as flexible. Aside from that, the sound engines are completely different. You'll never mistake Zebra 2 for MUX and vice versa.

MUX is cool enough, but, the fact that it doesn't load waves plugins (last time I checked) and that the dev doesn't seem interested in fixing that, and that it doesn't support feedback somewhat limits it for me. I expected to like it more TBH.

It depends a lot on what you want to get out of it. I don't like that the user created U/Is are limited to the default knobs/switches, but, they look better than Plogue Bidule, so ok.

Reaktor is, hands down, the best tool for experimenting openly. What mux largely brings to the table is the hosting of VSTs. Plogue Bidule does that better, but, is very lacking in your ability to create a U/I for your own creations.

I'm not really a Zebra fan, but, you're not going to compete with its carefully thought out modularity in terms of sound quality using MUX's limited toolset and openness. That's the appeal of Zebra, it's almost modular, but done very well.

If what you want is to experiment then tools like Mux/Reaktor and friends give you the most playground. If what you want is a really good sounding synthesizer with the possibility of getting the most number of high quality voices and enough modularity to satisfy many itches then Zebra is your tool.

[ReverendLove]

MUX is cool enough, but, the fact that it doesn't load waves plugins (last time I checked) and that the dev doesn't seem interested in fixing that, and that it doesn't support feedback somewhat limits it for me. I expected to like it more TBH.

Well, it works on windows if you use a kind of shell unfolder like shell2vst or vstwrapperbuilder.

[ghettosynth]

MUX is cool enough, but, the fact that it doesn't load waves plugins (last time I checked) and that the dev doesn't seem interested in fixing that, and that it doesn't support feedback somewhat limits it for me. I expected to like it more TBH.

Well, it works on windows if you use a kind of shell unfolder like shell2vst or vstwrapperbuilder.

I tried that, it didn't work on my machine and I'm not going to great lengths to try and figure out why. At the end of the day, I find Bidule is a better tool for me than MUX for that purpose. If MUX's U/I building was much better I might feel differently.

[nichttuntun]

Hi again. I want to ask again. How can I modulate each and every parameter in MUX due to the fact that most modules have less modulation inputs than they have parameters? Maybe I overlooked something and there may be another way? Thank you inn advance.

[Michael L]

How can I modulate each and every parameter in MUX

Place your mouse over a MUX knob or slider, then right-click to see the options menu. The Docs explain further.

[nichttuntun]

How can I modulate each and every parameter in MUX

Place your mouse over a MUX knob or slider, then right-click to see the options menu. The Docs explain further.

Ah okay. Thank you. I guess it will be something like DAW automation? Nevertheless, great to know that it is possible no matter how. It's getting interesting more and more. Now please more of crazy sounding wierd modules

[Michael L]

Now please more of crazy sounding wierd modules

They are in the MuLib

[nichttuntun]

Now please more of crazy sounding wierd modules

They are in the MuLib

As I understood MuLib is similar to a DAW or am I wrong? Shouldn't crazy sound modules be in the modular synth (MUX) rather than in a DAW?

Thank you again for helping.

[nichttuntun]

Sorry, I confused it with MuLab. MuLib was the library the community builds up...too bad that there are only so few YouTube demos and crazy tracks to find.

[Michael L]

Sorry, I confused it with MuLab. MuLib was the library the community builds up...too bad that there are only so few YouTube demos and crazy tracks to find.

Just do a Search for other MuLab videos, by different users.

As I mentioned above, there are non-video ways to learn that seem to be a better fit for the infinite possibilities of a fully modular system.

Here is another way to learn: download some crazy MUX modules from MuLib, dissect them, and make them even crazier! Then drop them into one of the 13 multi-crazy-track MuLab Demo Projects.

I strongly advice to take the manual, a day off and then work for a whole day through everything.

Good idea! MuLab and Mux have online manuals with great diagrams:
https://www.mutools.com/info/docs/index.html