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SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:30 pm

https://output.com/arcade

The prosecution rests.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:45 pm

SLiC wrote:https://output.com/arcade
The prosecution rests.

Kewl tanks, now I kan pro-doose two.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:53 pm

mcbpete wrote:So any midi controller and/or sequencer you also consider to not be actual music making ?

No, why? I don use my MIDI keyboard to shoot out loops.

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:03 pm

lotus2035 wrote:
SLiC wrote:https://output.com/arcade
The prosecution rests.
Kewl tanks, now I kan pro-doose two.

Hey, you made a new word for someone who "prods" keys to "produce" music...............

.............................................. "Prod-user"...................................................

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:15 pm

SLiC wrote:https://output.com/arcade

The prosecution rests.

Looks like a cheap way to get samples and loops.

untimelyman · Post by **untimelyman** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:23 pm

A young Beethoven would have searched "what is counterpoint" on YouTube if it existed in his time.

Internet has solved the 'problem of distribution'. People in the past were not spoon fed, not because they were not lazy, but because the access to knowledge used to be much more difficult. Internet has democratized publishing and distribution.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:31 pm

Actually, if they find the Videos on their own they are waaay ahead of the curve, I am at a couple of facebook groups and it is incredible the amount of ultra basic questions they ask, the total lack of will to use any search engine in google or youtube.

So if they take the initiative of watching youtube videos on anything it is already a win, most of them are much lazy than that. And it is just a generational change in the way people learn, form manuals to videos. I like both for different purposes, they have their place.

I have given private lessons (Live and push) and it is a realization those of us who have self-learning skills are the minority, those with the curiosity to seek and understand are rare, most people want to be told how to make things step by step, like recipes.

Obviously in the music world no one is getting far with the lazy mentality, all about music is hard: playing an instrument, composing, sound design, etc. it takes practice, commitment, etc.

but all those kids paying for software, preset and loop banks, as well as services as ask.audio make the industry big and we can have more software for better prices.

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:34 pm

Picking up a guitar, or hammering on a piano is still the same.
And it's the digital products that are so much more available and advanced today than ever before. DAWs, VSTs, FXs, etc. is vastly more advanced today, than it was, say, 20 years ago.
Although the musical and mixing/mastering principles is much the same today, is was much easier to understand and handle digital products back then.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:38 pm

rod_zero wrote:Actually, if they find the Videos on their own they are waaay ahead of the curve, I am at a couple of facebook groups and it is incredible the amount of ultra basic questions they ask, the total lack of will to use any search engine in google or youtube.

So if they take the initiative of watching youtube videos on anything it is already a win, most of them are much lazy than that.

Exactly, spot on.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:40 pm

Lol, yeah.

Definitely can confirm that here... even though i'm not on Facebook. Just judging from forums, Twitter, and likes.

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:53 pm

chk071 wrote:
mcbpete wrote:So any midi controller and/or sequencer you also consider to not be actual music making ?
No, why? I don use my MIDI keyboard to shoot out loops.

You could do, you could set up the midi controller to trigger scenes, loops etc. However you choose not to - I assume you use it to play notes and or control parameters, and guess what you can do in Push ...

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:13 pm

jancivil wrote:It's not just a single thing in music, it's not even just music; it is a winding down of the whole culture and a wide and broad dumbing down of the world

Funny, this is the exact same thing people have been saying about "kids these days" since forever. And yet people continue to do amazing things, technology continues to advance, and the world overall (despite some setbacks) arguably continues to become a better place to live.

jancivil wrote:Once upon a time if you wanted to have something under your name you had to do a bit more than paste clips acquired from others onto a DAW sequencer timeline. The richer experience is 'no fun' so it loses to the shallowest experience ever.

I don't think this is an accurate portrayal of the people you're talking about at all. I've spent some time on the EDM and Hip Hop production subreddits which are frequented by a lot of young people who want to make music. Do you get a lot of stupid questions that could be answered with a manual or Google search? Yeah. But people there are interested in learning sound design, mixing, music theory, good song structure, etc. Sure they may not exactly be pushing the envelope of the art of making music, but it's not like most of them are just copying and pasting into their DAWs (I don't see how it could be much fun making music that way anyways - it seems boring as hell). I think the reality is that if music technology didn't exist in its present form, a lot of these people would just spend their time playing video games or watching TV. But because of easy access to music-making software they've instead chosen to spend their time exercising some creativity by learning to make music. If that's not a win for culture I don't know what is.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:08 pm

Reefius wrote:The ENTER button is your friend. Pressing it once in a while divides your text into paragraphs which make it much easier to read.

As it is now I don't even bother trying to read it because it will give me a headache, and I think I'm not the only one.

sjm wrote:Paragraphs please. You can Google what they are, or try a video tutorial.

Ancient Greeks and Romans didn't even put space between their words when they wrote. Sometimes they even wrote "boustrophedon" (as the ox plows) where the direction alternated line by line from left to right, to right to left.

You kids and your need for paragraphs.....

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:15 pm

mcbpete wrote:
chk071 wrote:
mcbpete wrote:So any midi controller and/or sequencer you also consider to not be actual music making ?
No, why? I don use my MIDI keyboard to shoot out loops.
You could do, you could set up the midi controller to trigger scenes, loops etc. However you choose not to - I assume you use it to play notes and or control parameters, and guess what you can do in Push ...

Fair enough. In 100% of the videos i saw, the people used Push to shoot loops.

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:19 pm

chk071 wrote:
mcbpete wrote:
chk071 wrote:
mcbpete wrote:So any midi controller and/or sequencer you also consider to not be actual music making ?
No, why? I don use my MIDI keyboard to shoot out loops.
You could do, you could set up the midi controller to trigger scenes, loops etc. However you choose not to - I assume you use it to play notes and or control parameters, and guess what you can do in Push ...
Fair enough. In 100% of the videos i saw, the people used Push to shoot loops.

And case in point. Kudos OP.

All these newbies getting spoon fed everything.