GSI VB3-II

[Dewdman42]

I actually did not criticize guido's programming at all, so relax. People offered up flimsy excuses and I explained that if his programming is good, it should not have been a problem. if his programming is not great, well that's another story, but that was not coming from me, my presumption is that he just didn't feel like spending the time on it because he was busy working on hardware or other pursuits. VB3 just sat there abandoned, which is what I have been saying this entire time...he abandoned it.

At no point did I brag about myself or say that I would do it or that I need to be able to program my own hammond organ plugin in order to have the bloody right to complain as a customer about this one! I'm simply saying, I know software development, and as both a customer and one that understands what is involved, I think the way VB3v1 was handled on the mac over time was poor and I would never expect anything more than that from GSI because they have demonstrated poor follow up repeatedly in the past.

Sorry if you don't like hearing these facts, but these are facts. I hope Guido will take it to heart and reconsider some of the way he does business, because I do think VB3v1 is fabulous software. It just didn't receive the support that is warranted

[WOK]

he abandoned it.

So what did not work? What should have gotten a necessary update to make it work? Is a Mercedes SLK 173 "abandoned", just because there was no "update" version?

[Dewdman42]

64bit!!! Just because he never addressed that, I will simply not even consider VB3II and frankly I'm offended at the update price, particularly in light of what happened with v1 never getting that update.

[Dewdman42]

and anyway, I don't even know if I would want VB3II or not, because apparantly its a different sound. Maybe. I think VB3v1 was great! It just had to run with 32Lives and nobody knows the future of that software either, sometimes has some issues. But I had to spend money for that...to solve the issue Guido should have solved years ago. So me personally I will just not even consider the next one or any other future GSI product. There are other great organs out now...and actually I'm totally fine with VB3v1 as long as 32Lives continues to work, which is not a given, but anyway for the time being it does. Now if VB3v1 had gotten the love and support it deserved from its developer, I would have a completely different attitude about considering VB3II or other GSI products rolling forward, but the simple truth is it didn't...it was abandoned.

VB3II has actually been out for a very long time already by the way, you used to get it for free in a standalone version if you bought his midi controller. Ok. It bothered me back then that he had updated VB3 to something new but was only making it available in some form to people that bought his hardware, the rest of us were stuck back on 32bit version of VB3v1 where it has stayed abandoned and never even got 64bit compatibility update...so VB3II has been out there for a while...in software form...as well as in the Mojo's... while the original plugin and its users were abandoned. Until now...he put a plugin wrapper around the VB3II software form to sell it without hardware. And a small discount for we that sat here with our 32bit VB3 wondering if it would ever get caught up to date.

[ZioKiller]

Let's do a game. I pass you the source code of a plugin I wrote in 2012 with VSTGUI 3.0 and you do the "porting" with VSTGUI 4.3 or JUCE 5. Show us how easy it is to "port" it to a new framework. And I'm talking about a very easy plugin with just vertical faders and some buttons on the interface, nothing really fancy.

It just didn't receive the support that is warranted

Well, if you put it that way, I invite you to read the license agreement for VB3 1.x, particularly the point where it says that the product is offered "as is", without warranties. Then find me a €50 plugin that gives you some kind of warranty.

Listen mate, the only fact to presume that someone else's job is easy is just stupid, let alone the job of programming audio software. You're probably an expert coder, no doubt, but you should wear my shoes before judging me the way you're doing. I can understand an unhappy customer, I can understand the criticism or any kind of personal preference, but you look like you're crossing the line between expressing your opinion on the product and judging the person behind the product.

[Dewdman42]

It just didn't receive the support that is warranted

Well, if you put it that way, I invite you to read the license agreement for VB3 1.x, particularly the point where it says that the product is offered "as is", without warranties. Then find me a €50 plugin that gives you some kind of warranty.

There's the disclaimer. Don't expect support! So I'm not wrong then, you're just saying, you tried to tell me ahead of time not to expect it.

I can understand an unhappy customer, I can understand the criticism or any kind of personal preference,.

No apparently you do not understand.

[ZioKiller]

Until now...he put a plugin wrapper around the VB3II software form to sell it without hardware.

WHAAAAT???

Ok, this sentence alone proves that you ARE a real expert programmer.

In latin they say "IPSE DIXIT". You own the truth. You know more about me than I do. You've just put an end to this pathetic duscussion.

[Dewdman42]

calling your customer complaint pathetic is not going to earn his business.

[EvilDragon]

There's the disclaimer.

That's the disclaimer in EULA of every damn piece of software on Earth that is not open source (or even open source, yes - it's all "as is", except with open source you can modify it). Software is always provided "as is" and without warranties of any kind.

[Dewdman42]

That's the second red herring argument you've made on this thread Evil Dragon. hehe. what does open source have to do with anything? This is commercial software. Regardless of disclaimers made by GSI, or as you say by pretty much all software makers out there...there is still a certain amount of support that most of them aim to provide, especially if they want future business. The simple truth is, GSI did not make me a happy customer. They (or he) made me an unhappy frustrated customer.

There are numerous other people on this thread that have expressed the same view though I took it way further in response to your lame excuse about Apple and 64bit, etc.. But the simple truth is, I am not alone in thinking this update price is crazy..especially in light of the way VB3v1 lived up to the above disclaimer with not much regard whatsoever about future business...so guess what..he's not going to get my future business..

[BMoore]

calling your customer complaint pathetic is not going to earn his business.

A pathetic complaint is just that. Pathetic. Customer or not.
Win for the dev here, not you.

[Dewdman42]

so say you...now clear that up for me..which part of my complaint do you think is pathetic? Apparently Guido didn't like me pointing out about the fact he was giving away a standalone version of VB3II for quite some time already in the past with his hardware controller, while ignoring VB3v1 users.

[ZioKiller]

he was giving away a standalone version of VB3II for quite some time already in the past with his hardware controller, while ignoring VB3v1 users.

Do you at least know what you're talking about? Please show me what is the VB3-II that was given away with the hardware and has then been put into a plugin wrapper to be sold without the hardware. You must prove me that the new VB3-II is an old software in disguise that's been just wrapped and sold separately.

Customer or not, you're now being very offensive.

[Dewdman42]

well I haven't followed it for a while and maybe now you're not doing that anymore, but when you first came out with your midi controller, you were in fact doing that. Don't lie to us now Guido. At the very least come clean with a proper explanation rather then half truths. I remember clearly that if I had bought your midi controller, which I considered heavily but in the end decided not to for other reasons...it came with a standalone version of VB3II that would only work when connected to the controller. Then later you came out with Gemini...which presumably has VB3II built in...so I don't know maybe you stopped giving away the software version after that...but whatever...all that activity with Mojo and the controller and VB3II has been happening a long time ago, for years already..and meanwhile you could not bother to get VB3v1 to 64bit on the mac.

[jancivil]

Well, I have the same complaint. I'm not terribly invested in it these years later, but a Windows 64-bit version was created, a Mac OS version was not. Yes, I saw from the website this was not likely to happen, or was it that it just won't happen. It's still a turn-off to me and I don't really care to see that this was insurmountably problematic, since it wasn't for anything else I'm using.

So that colors the whole notion of the instrument for me. I don't think it's the best, I don't think it's bad and I do quite enjoy Mr Ray Suitcase 73 which isn't going anywhere on Mac either, so I moved on. One may tend to be reminded of the particular disregard of the OSX users by this thread. So for my part this could be the very best virtual organ ever possible and I wouldn't shell out 75 euro for it.