All these newbies getting spoon fed everything.

[thecontrolcentre]

Another example of these talentless PUSH users ...


I blame the parents

Still not a way i'd want to make music.

I didn't call anyone talentless, BTW. So, no need to feel butthurt over things which only happen in your imagination.

Don't presume everything is about you and maybe take your own advice rather than dishing it out inappropriately.

[BMoore]

My God. After seeing these long replies about nothing, the eagerness by the same people to actually read and write them, and even thinking it matters, I'm losing the will to live.

[Jace-BeOS]

Get off my lawn!

Punks.

Yeah, this is what i thought, the moment i got to the "kids these days" part. I stopped reading and looked to see what the first few responses were... and this one speaks for me.

It seems inevitable that every generation is going to hate on their successors. I hate that and i refuse to participate in it.

[herodotus]

And you thought you had nothing to be thankful for.

Oh, I know all about the sanitation, medicine, wine, public order, roads etc.

But in terms of clear layouts designed with the reader in mind, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Or the Greeks? I mean the Greeks even use a confusing alphabet made up largely of maths and physics symbols... You aren't Greek are you, Ἡρόδοτος..?

Why, are you a member of the People's Front of Plataea?

[herodotus]

My God. After seeing these long replies about nothing, the eagerness by the same people to actually read and write them, and even thinking it matters, I'm losing the will to live.

Go to a YouTube comment thread. Kvr is a Platonic dialog by comparison.

[jancivil]

My God. After seeing these long replies about nothing, the eagerness by the same people to actually read and write them, and even thinking it matters, I'm losing the will to live.

Well here is a definite upside, then.

[donkey tugger]

It's all a bit, 'Yarksherr'.

[herodotus]

It's all a bit, 'Yarksherr'.

There was a great series that was on HBO a few years back, called "Band of Brothers", about the U.S. 101st airborne division fighting in WW2 in Normandy.

In the show, there is a scene in England, where an American soldier is talking with a British soldier, and the British soldier throws a bunch of slang at the American, ending with, "know what I mean, mate?". The American looks at him, confused, and says: "Not really".

Anyway, that is how I feel sometimes, reading your posts.

[donkey tugger]

It's all a bit, 'Yarksherr'.

There was a great series that was on HBO a few years back, called "Band of Brothers", about the U.S. 101st airborne division fighting in WW2 in Normandy.

In the show, there is a scene in England, where an American soldier is talking with a British soldier, and the British soldier throws a bunch of slang at the American, ending with, "know what I mean, mate?". The American looks at him, confused, and says: "Not really".

Anyway, that is how I feel sometimes, reading your posts.

What I was alluding to was the good Yorkshire folks' propensity to characterize themselves as being better than everyone else (the self-styled God's Own County ), and their fondness of reminding others how much life is harder here..

There is much truth in the Monty Python sketch...



...and seems to be a lot of the same in this thread.

[jancivil]

Well there's one easy way to show you feel you're superior to the rest of, you know, people that tried to sort an issue out.

I actually am one who did mention how certain things were not as easy when I came up. There was a point to it, it was in response to a question about attention span deficiency. I personally do not think having the ability to have personal conversations the entire time one is on line - or on cue as you might say - in a store is a really good thing for anybody. It's more convenient, but oh my god how did anyone ever manage before!

I mentioned that I have some of the same spoiledness nonetheless. Now here's a product of the internet, for me anyway, I don't know how people made it known so readily how they feel they are above a discussion they can't be arsed to be involved in except to diss people for being in it, before online 'forums'.
BMoore, for instance never has a thought really, it's always this, he can't be arsed but here he is caring enough about what people at KVR do, he loves to hate the place. It's kind of not healthy.

For my part, I fvcking *know* where I stand in any room. I mentioned that as to my training and my hopes, as pathetic and the lowest area of that totem pole. I wouldn't consider every person in the world my peer; that is what is known as false modesty and it's not actually honest.

[acYm]

Muzak, especially electronic instrument based muzak, it really huge right now. You just have to try and keep it separate from music.

These tutorial kids aren't into making music, they're into making the background muzak that people use in Youtube videos.

[tooneba]

Don't interfere Ableton Certified Fanboy Trainer's job brah

[martinjuenke]

And you thought you had nothing to be thankful for.

Oh, I know all about the sanitation, medicine, wine, public order, roads etc.

But in terms of clear layouts designed with the reader in mind, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Or the Greeks? I mean the Greeks even use a confusing alphabet made up largely of maths and physics symbols... You aren't Greek are you, Ἡρόδοτος..?

Why, are you a member of the People's Front of Plataea?

No, he‘s a member of the Plataean People‘s Front. Or is was it the Platean Front of People? Or the Platean People Front?

[groovyomega]

This sounds like an old bitter man who has totally lost touch with the music scene and realizes that 14 year old bedroom producers generate more creative music than himself?

Seriously, what's your problem? I'm really serious, what's the problem?

How can you have a problem with the fact that especially younger people have such great access to education? They can create their ideas faster, focus more on creative things, their music, their expression. Simply faster results. Less barriers to translate what's in your head. Focus on the essentials and not to be thrown back by technical limitation (nescience).

I envy young people who can learn a complex software with a 30 minute tutorial in a fun way, which used to take a week to read the whole (often too short and pretentious written) manual and months of completely unnecessary trial & error (even if this often results in good and creative mistakes - statistically still a wate of time), just completely inefficient.

I can't see any point in switching off the compressor just because the guys used to have to control the volume manually in "those days". I don't see any point in having to operate a real tape machine just because you don't like that I get almost the same effect with a UAD plugin at the click of a mouse, including the manufacturer's free YouTube tutorial...

This bitterness and the begrudging of younger people just makes me sad...

So again, seriously, what's your problem, I totally don't get it?

[Eauson]

Does anyone else notice a trend among new producers wanting to be spoon fed information - particularly about Ableton? Its a lazy and unconstructive way to learn music production. I mean if you need an Ableton 10 course to tell you how to set up your DAW then your either an absolute beginner which is fine but if your not then you should probably pack it in. I mean the kids these days they expect just to be able to watch a series of youtube videos and then be able to produce. How do they ever learn from making mistakes and create their own unique way of working? This lazy, not wanting to read the manual or text books on the subject approach to learning is leading people to create generic music because you are just allowing someone else to define how they think you should work rather than defining that your self. The thought process should be "I want to achieve this sound, how can I adapt my work flow and use particular tools to achieve this and what do I need to learn in order to do so?" Then pick up the god damn manual or read a book! Im so sick of these lazy generic producers that don't understand how to learn for them selves. You think Andrew Weatherall or the Chemical Brothers had endless Youtube videos spoon feeding them exactly what to do back in the early 90's? They figured it out for them selves by making tons of mistakes, understanding the instruments and the processes behind the music, developing their critical listening skills and then defining their own way of working. The Kids of today man I tell you.

Yeah, in my day, all you had was a piece of string and a paper bag to create stuff with.. Ruddy yoot thinking that their peers actually want to see progress being made, in all walks of life, I used to work down a coal mine, broke me back doin it, y dont yoot want to break their backs aswell....
It all stems from how they are taught, they are not allowed to be creative, schools do this, as they need to create a certain level of passes in exams to continue to get the funding..So, this ideal is continued into all things, be it music production to whatever!!
Butz I wants to be famooose, wen will eyz be famooose!!
Could go on, but y botherz, back to me hole to .....
Also
I'm not having a go @ anyone, as its a pointless argument, like celebritism.