All these newbies getting spoon fed everything.

[sjm]

If I would like to construct a robot band, yeah, I would probably write this guy and ask for any tips and shortcuts I can get. Why should I have to re-invent the wheel? What for? Dude, I don't have to mine my own steel or dig for copper to make my own cables or robots - just that some grumpy old man is happy that he's not the only one who had or has obviously some tough times in his musical life (no offense to anyone).

In fact, I'm not following you right now. Do you refer to the spoiled youth in general or do you mean yourself?

The first quote suggests you have completely misinterpreted what this thread is about. Surely it's about the person who writes "How to mk robto band?". It's not the person who contacts someone interested in robotics with pertinent questions that relate to a specific use case/problem.

The person who watches a video on how to make a robot is not that person. Because the act of watching a video (or reading a book etc.) is one of learning on your own, demonstrating at least some level of initiative and dedication.

Hence my question, can you not tell the difference between watching an educational video or reading a text book, and asking someone "how to mk EDM pls??!?"

[Unaspected]

I think that if an individual wants only to mimic a certain artist then there will naturally be a certain amount of "spoon feeding" - as an example of work is already provided as proof of concept. At the extreme end of this mentality, wanting to copy a method without any understanding of the process sounds like a joyless endeavour to me.

[groovyomega]

The first quote suggests you have completely misinterpreted what this thread is about. Surely it's about the person who writes "How to mk robto band?". It's not the person who contacts someone interested in robotics with pertinent questions that relate to a specific use case/problem.

No, I can't see a difference between asking a question on a scene-specific board or some guy directly for help? The OP especially blames the youth who only want to watch a few videos. So I don't know how I misinterpret this. Is it spoiled to ask for a Push tutorial rather than reading the manual?

The person who watches a video on how to make a robot is not that person. Because the act of watching a video (or reading a book etc.) is one of learning on your own, demonstrating at least some level of initiative and dedication.

Here we get to the point. There often seems to be the assumption among older people that you only have to earn your spurs through hard work. Why do I have read several books, wait several years, sacrifice my hamster, work in a mine just get told that Avicii uses Sylenth1 preset no. xxx for its lead sounds. What's the point of that? And who are you to judge my level of initiative and dedication?

Hence my question, can you not tell the difference between watching an educational video or reading a text book, and asking someone "how to mk EDM pls??!?"

No, I can't, sorry. Maybe it's because I always think results-oriented in such things. I'm only interested in what comes out of the speakers at the end...
It's initiative enough for me when a teenager registers in a forum in a foreign language and try to get answers - but all he gets is a shitload of insults and genre discussions - although the old chaps could answer most of these questions just with a simple sentence.
Sometimes these are just kids at the other end who just don't know any better. Instead of getting upset about it, we just could help! And if you really want to recommend the old and stony way at least recommend these seemingly important books, courses or a hint to experiment in the right direction. But no, they rather whine and don't talk about secrets or tricks, because it took them 10 years to figure it out themselves...

[LawrenceF]

... that don't understand how to learn for themselves.

Bingo. Why bother to study anything when there's Facebook? It's like driving a car but never learning how to park. I've heard it called "pretendgineers", guys with tons of gear and the first time anything goes wrong they have no idea what to do.

It's not about "old fogeys vs youngsters", it's about those who are will doing to do the work and study and learn and those who aren't, and both of the aftorementioned groups have too much of the latter. How many times have you seen this...

"I'm in the middle of a session with this important client and X happened!! HELP!!!"

... and X turns out to be something really BASIC, really fundamental, that apparenly never appeared in a "tips" videos. As the OP suggested, not leaning how to learn or not doing the work, is harmful to the development of basic logic, problem solving skills, if you never do it.

[dellboy]

I have never loaded a pre-made loop into Ableton.

It only takes seconds to make your own 4 bar loops, or whatever.

Then export the waves , or stems, into a linear daw to use them as the basis for a song.

For those that only use pre-made loops and push a button to make it sound, how is that any different from buying a Yamaha or Casio keyboard with one finger chords and beats built in ?

[groovyomega]

I have never loaded a pre-made loop into Ableton.

It only takes seconds to make your own 4 bar loops, or whatever.

Then export the waves , or stems, into a linear daw to use them as the basis for a song.

For those that only use pre-made loops and push a button to make it sound, how is that any different from buying a Yamaha or Casio keyboard with one finger chords and beats built in ?

This is so wrong on so many levels...

You obviously don't push a note when you trigger your kick drum sample to make your 4 bar loop? Oh no, maybe you lazy bastard only use your mouse to drag in your kick drum. How dare you to even use a one shot sample. Go and make your own sample. Go and buy or own drum kit, and record it. No drum machine. What am I talking about go and solder your own modular drum machine and THEN sample it and make your own stems... of course please first code your DAW, how dare you to use Ableton Live at all, real pro's use Pro Tools of course and so on and so on...

It's okay to use samples, but they are not allowed to be longer that 3 seconds otherwise you consider it a pre-made loop? These samples aren't pre-made? Your Ableton Live software isn't pre-made? Your hardware synthesizer isn't pre-manufactured. Is it even allowed to use any rompler workstation? Do I go to hell if I use some presets from the Yamaha Montage? Do I have to burn my delay unit at the stake because I have to mimic a delay effect manually (copy & paste the recording) otherwise it's pre-made.

Maybe the legislators should discuss the fact that synthesizers should only be delivered without presets and it's forbidden to produce samplers. And who uses romplers should be banished.

This line people draw somewhere in their own imagination it's just ridiculous...

[rod_zero]

There's loads of good tutorials out there. But one thing I have never seen a good tutorial for is "How to be a creative and interesting music artist". And that's because, while there are some tricks of the trade, that's not something that you can really learn from a tutorial. It would be no more than painting by numbers anyway.

Quite a bit of them if you look for music theory channels in YouTube, there are quite a few and very good ones for many genres, for example "holistic doing writing".

[dellboy]

I have never loaded a pre-made loop into Ableton.

It only takes seconds to make your own 4 bar loops, or whatever.

Then export the waves , or stems, into a linear daw to use them as the basis for a song.

For those that only use pre-made loops and push a button to make it sound, how is that any different from buying a Yamaha or Casio keyboard with one finger chords and beats built in ?

This is so wrong on so many levels...

You obviously don't push a note when you trigger your kick drum sample to make your 4 bar loop? Oh no, maybe you lazy bastard only use your mouse to drag in your kick drum. How dare you to even use a one shot sample. Go and make your own sample. Go and buy or own drum kit, and record it. No drum machine. What am I talking about go and solder your own modular drum machine and THEN sample it and make your own stems... of course please first code your DAW, how dare you to use Ableton Live at all, real pro's use Pro Tools of course and so on and so on...

It's okay to use samples, but they are not allowed to be longer that 3 seconds otherwise you consider it a pre-made loop? These samples aren't pre-made? Your Ableton Live software isn't pre-made? Your hardware synthesizer isn't pre-manufactured. Is it even allowed to use any rompler workstation? Do I go to hell if I use some presets from the Yamaha Montage? Do I have to burn my delay unit at the stake because I have to mimic a delay effect manually (copy & paste the recording) otherwise it's pre-made.

Maybe the legislators should discuss the fact that synthesizers should only be delivered without presets and it's forbidden to produce samplers. And who uses romplers should be banished.

This line people draw somewhere in their own imagination it's just ridiculous...

What point are you making ?

[groovyomega]

I have never loaded a pre-made loop into Ableton.

It only takes seconds to make your own 4 bar loops, or whatever.

Then export the waves , or stems, into a linear daw to use them as the basis for a song.

For those that only use pre-made loops and push a button to make it sound, how is that any different from buying a Yamaha or Casio keyboard with one finger chords and beats built in ?

This is so wrong on so many levels...

You obviously don't push a note when you trigger your kick drum sample to make your 4 bar loop? Oh no, maybe you lazy bastard only use your mouse to drag in your kick drum. How dare you to even use a one shot sample. Go and make your own sample. Go and buy or own drum kit, and record it. No drum machine. What am I talking about go and solder your own modular drum machine and THEN sample it and make your own stems... of course please first code your DAW, how dare you to use Ableton Live at all, real pro's use Pro Tools of course and so on and so on...

It's okay to use samples, but they are not allowed to be longer that 3 seconds otherwise you consider it a pre-made loop? These samples aren't pre-made? Your Ableton Live software isn't pre-made? Your hardware synthesizer isn't pre-manufactured. Is it even allowed to use any rompler workstation? Do I go to hell if I use some presets from the Yamaha Montage? Do I have to burn my delay unit at the stake because I have to mimic a delay effect manually (copy & paste the recording) otherwise it's pre-made.

Maybe the legislators should discuss the fact that synthesizers should only be delivered without presets and it's forbidden to produce samplers. And who uses romplers should be banished.

This line people draw somewhere in their own imagination it's just ridiculous...

What point are you making ?

Never mind, I'm just happy you "never" loaded a pre-made loop into the most loop-based software in the whole universe...
But, what was your point again?

[Michael L]

Quite a bit of them if you look for music theory channels in YouTube, there are quite a few and very good ones for many genres

Rick Beato has a terrific YouTube series, "What Makes This Song Great" in which he breaks down rock songs in detail, track by track.

[dellboy]

Never mind, I'm just happy you "never" loaded a pre-made loop into the most loop-based software in the whole universe...

No, I never have and never will.

As I play guitar - piano - and violin- why would I want to use some other persons music to make music ?

Its a bit like buying a paint by numbers artist kit.

[groovyomega]

Never mind, I'm just happy you "never" loaded a pre-made loop into the most loop-based software in the whole universe...

No, I never have and never will.

As I play guitar - piano - and violin- why would I want to use some other persons music to make music ?

Its a bit like buying a paint by numbers artist kit.

So your music is all guitar, piano and violin then? All freestyle I guess, no painting after numbers (exchange numbers for notes)? Wow, that's a very strict limitation - how did you learn to play your instruments?

[dellboy]

Never mind, I'm just happy you "never" loaded a pre-made loop into the most loop-based software in the whole universe...

No, I never have and never will.

As I play guitar - piano - and violin- why would I want to use some other persons music to make music ?

Its a bit like buying a paint by numbers artist kit.

So your music is all guitar, piano and violin then? All freestyle I guess, no painting after numbers (exchange numbers for notes)? Wow, that's a very strict limitation - how did you learn to play your instruments?

lets get this straight. I like making pattern based music,and Live is a great tool to simplify that.

What exactly do you have against making your own loops in Ableton ?

If you own a controller keyboard Its only a matter of loading a vst and hitting enter and playing in the notes and then hitting the space-bar at the right time. A quick trim and you have your own original loop made by yours truly. No worries about copyrights - or hearing the same loop in some other persons song. Its not exactly hard.

Like everyone since time began,I learned to play guitar etc by practicing.

Anything worth having in life is hard won.

[BMoore]

My God. After seeing these long replies about nothing, the eagerness by the same people to actually read and write them, and even thinking it matters, I'm losing the will to live.

Well here is a definite upside, then.

I'll take you with me. Because you're a special kind of useless.

[groovyomega]

Never mind, I'm just happy you "never" loaded a pre-made loop into the most loop-based software in the whole universe...

No, I never have and never will.

As I play guitar - piano - and violin- why would I want to use some other persons music to make music ?

Its a bit like buying a paint by numbers artist kit.

So your music is all guitar, piano and violin then? All freestyle I guess, no painting after numbers (exchange numbers for notes)? Wow, that's a very strict limitation - how did you learn to play your instruments?

lets get this straight. I like making pattern based music,and Live is a great tool to simplify that.

What exactly do you have against making your own loops in Ableton ?

If you own a controller keyboard Its only a matter of loading a vst and hitting enter and playing in the notes and then hitting the space-bar at the right time. A quick trim and you have your own original loop made by yours truly. No worries about copyrights - or hearing the same loop in some other persons song. Its not exactly hard.

Like everyone since time began,I learned to play guitar etc by practicing.

Anything worth having in life is hard won.