KVR Audio

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:35 pm

TL/DR version:
It's elitist to complain about "these kids today" with their available easier to use gear, just because it was harder for us 30 years ago.

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I started writing this as a reply to this post here:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=507478

But it kind of turned into what should probably be a post of its own.

The OP on that thread says
"Does anyone else notice a trend among new producers wanting to be spoon fed information ..... I mean if you need an Ableton 10 course to tell you how to set up your DAW.......then you should probably pack it in. I mean the kids these days......"

It is much longer than that, but my summation is accurate.
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My reply:
The first reply on this thread sums it up. "GET OFF MY LAWN."

That is, the OP sounds like a cranky person who's been doing the same thing forever, and who doesn't like the new, scary ways things are getting done.

The original post is the new electronic music version of the Musicians Union in the early 70s screaming "synthesizers will take work from real musicians."

Or people saying "Brian Eno isn't a musician, he just pushes buttons" when his first record came out.

Or of those early 80s bumper stickers that said "Drum Machines Have No Soul."

Or people now with ten grand of Euroracks who can't make a melody and claim loudly that soft synths suck,

I love improvements in sound production technology. And I'm not a pup. I'm 54. "Paid my dues."

First synth I played I built myself, in the late 70s as a kid with my dad. One of those little Paia kits.

First used a "real synth", an ARP 2600, in 1980. I RENTED it for a week to experiment because I couldn't afford it. My friend and I carried it home and back to the store on the bus.

Played in bands (guitar, bass and singing, and a little synth), toured the gin mills of the world. Put out my own records on vinyl starting in 1985. I first played synth on a record in 1986.

I also made one record on Warner Bros, produced by Bill Laswell.

All those records were recorded on tape.

All were released on vinyl, except the Warner Brothers one. That was an early record on CD, and one of the first records with a parental warning sticker.

Got into digital recording at home in 2000 on Vegas before it was Vegas Video, and when it was made by Sonic Foundry, not Sony.

Been downloading stuff on KVR for a long time, finally got around to reviewing some things. (People should review things they like, even if you only have time for a short review. There's a lot of hit and run downloading here, and I was guilty of it. Devs who make free stuff thrive on a kind word.)

All that is my way of putting in context to answer the OP, to say: "I'm not a noob, even though this is my first post. And I'm not someone who got Maschine for Christmas and decided the world owes me a button I can press to make a hit album."

Anyone who hates presets, ease of use, etc, should be carving their own instruments out of wood if they want to be pure.

Or at least only making music with a Minimoog Model D they bought in 1972 an ELP roadie. And only recording on tape. And only releasing music on vinyl.

Funny, I looked at some of the last posts by the people agreeing loudly with the OP on this thread. They give huge thumbs up to things like Chorder and VSTs that have great sequencers or arpeggiator features.

Isn't Chorder, sequencers, and arpeggiators "cheating" in the way the OP defines?

Yeah, a lot of kids demand stuff. Just ignore them. So do a lot of adults.

That's a sign of the times more than of anything with music.

This issue isn't only with music software. I make software for talk radio and people scream at me constantly demanding features, and the software is free!

And some of the same people on here agreeing loudly with the OP also have posted reviews saying things like "Make the buttons bigger on this", without even saying "please", or even saying they like the product otherwise.

Music software and hardware tools available to everyone does encourage a lot of crap, but it also makes a few gems come through that would never come through if everything was hard to do, the way our grandpappys did it.

Robots have already take the job of the mastering engineer. In ten years, they'll be making most of the music, no human needed.

In 20 years, a few people will still listen to music made by humans. But it will be rare and quaint, like people who still collect leather bound books. Or who play electric guitar. lol.

Instead of complaining about the great free tools available to everyone, enjoy making music while people will still listen to music by humans.

MWD

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:36 pm

The OP on this thread sounds like he thinks that learning should be cut off from new people just because he did it for a while and it's easier now.

I'm an old guy who has played music forever and disagrees.

I started a new thread

"Good for all these newbies getting spoonfed everything."
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=507864

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:40 pm

GIT OFF MUH LAWN!" indeed.

lol,

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:46 pm

BipTunia wrote:I started a new thread

what possible point would there be for doing that?

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:54 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
BipTunia wrote:I started a new thread
what possible point would there be for doing that?

lol.

A. So it will get read and not lost in the heap. It's long and worth reading.

B. Because it could seriously be considered hijacking the thread if I posted it here and people started responding to it. I can tell from the OP's style there's a good chance he'd be really irked if that happened.

I have one for you: How come so many of your posts are you complaining about things?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:04 pm

BipTunia wrote:A. So it will get read and not lost in the heap. It's long and worth reading.

ah... arrogance.

B. Because it could seriously be considered hijacking the thread if I posted it here and people started responding to it. I can tell from the OP's style there's a good chance he'd be really irked if that happened.

ah... cowardice.

I have one for you: How come so many of your posts are you complaining about things?

And how many posts is 'so many' supposed to be?

I mean, say out of the last 5 pages of my posts, how many are you claiming there are?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:06 pm

drum machines don't have souls.

but then, neither does anything else.
feet have soles, which is as close as you'll get.

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:07 pm

You mad, bro? lol.

You just want to fight. I can tell from your many confrontational posts that your hobby is fighting on the Internet.

I'm not biting. I've got music to play.
You are blocked.
You'll call me a coward, but I won't see it, and I just don't wanna join your creepy dance.

whyterabbyt wrote:
BipTunia wrote:A. So it will get read and not lost in the heap. It's long and worth reading.
ah... arrogance.

B. Because it could seriously be considered hijacking the thread if I posted it here and people started responding to it. I can tell from the OP's style there's a good chance he'd be really irked if that happened.
ah... cowardice.

I have one for you: How come so many of your posts are you complaining about things?
And how many posts is 'so many' supposed to be?

I mean, say out of the last 5 pages of my posts, how many are you claiming there are?

JJ_Jettflow · Post by **JJ_Jettflow** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:09 pm

jancivil wrote:
JJ_Jettflow wrote:[...] [...] [...] [...] and making nearly impossible to find the relevant info in a thread.
What is the relevant info in this thread?

Nothing. The whole thread is irrelevant.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:11 pm

BipTunia wrote:You mad, bro? lol.

Nope. Just asking you to back up your confrontational claim. Surely you can manage that.

You just want to fight. I can tell from your many confrontational posts that your hobby is fighting on the Internet.

How many post are me wanting to fight then? Are they included in the 'so many' complaints, or separate?

I'm not biting. I've got music to play.
You are bocked.

What's 'bocked.'

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:15 pm

JJ_Jettflow wrote:
jancivil wrote:
JJ_Jettflow wrote:[...] [...] [...] [...] and making nearly impossible to find the relevant info in a thread.
What is the relevant info in this thread?
Nothing. The whole thread is irrelevant.

lol. +1

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:18 pm

vurt wrote:drum machines don't have souls.

but then, neither does anything else.
feet have soles, which is as close as you'll get.

lol.

Hey, do you make Vurtbox? I love that thing.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:57 pm

BipTunia wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
BipTunia wrote:I started a new thread
what possible point would there be for doing that?
It's [long and] worth reading.

I doubt it. You've already given us your disposition.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:43 pm

BipTunia wrote:

tl/dnr ...
... I'm 54. "Paid my dues." ...
tl/dnr ...

It's a fallacy to confer upon age anything but mileage on the meat puppet ...

BipTunia · Post by **BipTunia** » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:44 pm

experimental.crow wrote:
BipTunia wrote:

tl/dnr ...
... I'm 54. "Paid my dues." ...
tl/dnr ...

It's a fallacy to confer upon age anything but mileage on the meat puppet ...

lol.

All these newbies getting spoon fed everything.