All these newbies getting spoon fed everything.

[Hink]

I started a new thread

what possible point would there be for doing that?

agreed, I merged it with this one

[BipTunia]

tl/dnr ...
... I'm 54. "Paid my dues." ...
tl/dnr ...

It's a fallacy to confer upon age anything but mileage on the meat puppet ...

I do like that sentence. And I agree.
But....

Age isn't how I paid my dues,. and I wasn't claiming that. I followed that by enumerating the way I'd paid my dues. You quoted me out of context.

I was just pointing out "I"m not the type of person the OP is talking about", to put my response in context.

The OP was basically saying "these damn kids today with no experience....." and I was pointing out that I am neither, and STILL think he's wrong.

[Zexila]

The OP was basically saying "these damn kids today with no experience....." and I was pointing out that I am neither, and STILL think he's wrong.

OP wasn't referring to kids tho

I originally posted this out of frustration towards my good friend. He is anything but a kid in fact he's actually older than me. It was just an expression to describe a particular attitude towards work/learning and also to reflect on the modern way that we consume information. Essentially he's living off his inheritance and completely deluded to the idea that he's going to make a living as a music producer. No matter what I try I just can't get him to think for him self. I can't convince him to actually learn the instruments and explore them on his own accord. So his palette is restricted to what other people think is a good idea for him to do so to speak. Don't get me wrong I watch tutorials too if there is a specific thing or I'm really stuck or a particular sound just doesn't want to come out and I think they are great resource. But nothing has ever compared to the knowledge I acquired through reading books explaining the theory of how these instruments and effects and the mixer etc actually work on a deeper level and applying that to my productions in the way that I choose to through experimentation. And supplementing that knowledge with the user manual for specific instruments etc to understand how to apply it to that specific interface. Music production is driven by the tools and instruments you use and in my opinion unless you carve out your own way of working based on what you want to achieve then you'r music is quite likely going to sound generic, boring and amateur. Your work flow doesn't need to be super complicated. It just needs to be YOURS. Basically there are two music industries now. The music industry where people produce music for people to listen to and the music industry where people take money from amateur producers who don't understand that they need to teach them selves in order to succeed. When I was young we used to make music using all sorts of things, anything we could find. None of us had much money. We just used to find instruments in bins, inherit them, borrow them or beg the parents. We would make really interesting and bizarre music with these limitations. I remember once I got a zoom multi fx guitar pedal and created a feedback loop by just looping its self into it without any audio going through, took that signal and run it into a consumer hifi so I can use the eq on it and then get a sm58 and record straight onto tape lol! I lost all those tapes. They were probably shit haha. Anyway I learned doing crazy stuff like that. I learned by not having anything. I always have to remind my self now with the limitless options I have to restrict my self and really learn the instrument and really get inside it under its skin. You see this is a big problem too. The limitless options combined with a sea of really dumbed down information. It creates this kind of ohhh that preset doesn't sound good on this synth lets try another synth mentality. Can you imagine the absurdity of someone who has no idea how to use synthesisers being stuck inside a studio the size of a warehouse full of practically every classic synthesiser ever made with free reign to use them as long as they like? Well reality is not too far from this for a lot of people.

[MadDogE134]

WTF do you expect when kids get trophies for participation and are taught everyone is a winner. it is the same with music. look at auto tune... it was created to fix an errant note or two but now a lot of your so called top performers can't sing a lick without it. better yet... a lot of performers don't even perform these days... they lip sync to pre-recorded tracks. lol... all that BS will come back to haunt. mark my words. cheers

[BipTunia]

OP wasn't referring to kids tho

I use "kids" loosely. Riffing on the member who replied "GET OFF MY LAWN!" (which is usually followed by "you G.D. kids!")


OP was referring to people younger than him who didn't suffer to make music when the gear and software was in its infancy. And he considers those people less mature and less worthy than him.

He came off like an old crank, regardless of his age. I could easily be older than him.

Thus "kids."

[BipTunia]

The OP was basically saying "these damn kids today with no experience....." and I was pointing out that I am neither, and STILL think he's wrong.

OP wasn't referring to kids tho

What are you talking about?

The OP ends his post with "The Kids of today man I tell you."

And if he's kidding, he's using it the way I took it in, and the way I was using it.

[experimental.crow]

tl/dnr ...
... I'm 54. "Paid my dues." ...
tl/dnr ...

It's a fallacy to confer upon age anything but mileage on the meat puppet ...

I do like that sentence. And I agree.
But....

Age isn't how I paid my dues,. and I wasn't claiming that. I followed that by enumerating the way I'd paid my dues. You quoted me out of context.

I was just pointing out "I"m not the type of person the OP is talking about", to put my response in context.

The OP was basically saying "these damn kids today with no experience....." and I was pointing out that I am neither, and STILL think he's wrong.

i'll copy that over to the ' quoted out of context ' thread ,
although we sort of reserve that for sexual double entendres ...

[Zexila]

Yeah, don't agree with OP or what he considers spoon feeding, said few times in this thread and will repeat again, have against people who expect to be spoon fed and demand that like spoiled brats, but that folks don't last long, if they have money they just find ghost producer and than DJ, do coke and hookers.

[MadDogE134]

lol... looking 60 square in the face... i AM an old fart i don't use the word 'kids' loosely. hell at my age anyone under 40 looks and acts like a 12 yr old lol and if you don't believe me... wait til you get this old (if you make it that far) and see if it ain't true. cheers

[martinjuenke]

The OP ends his post with "The Kits of today man I tell you“

[martinjuenke]

The OP ends his post with "The Cats of today man I tell you“

[Zexila]

The OP ends his post with "The Cats of today man I tell you“

[martinjuenke]

The OP ends his post with "The Cats of today man I tell you“

Two hearts beating synchronously...

[Zexila]

[martinjuenke]

The OP ends his post with "The Bats of today man I tell you“