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donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:04 pm

wagtunes wrote:Well, I'm trying to do my first complete Vocaloid 5 track but I just can't. This thing is so buggy it's inexcusable. I have my first note at measure 54. It's sounding at measure 49. I'm looking. There's nothing there, but it's registering a note.

I'm done with V5 until they fix it.

I thought it was singers who were supposed to be temperamental and unreliable. Obviously the AI is a bit too realistic....

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:07 pm

donkey tugger wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Well, I'm trying to do my first complete Vocaloid 5 track but I just can't. This thing is so buggy it's inexcusable. I have my first note at measure 54. It's sounding at measure 49. I'm looking. There's nothing there, but it's registering a note.

I'm done with V5 until they fix it.
I thought it was singers who were supposed to be temperamental and unreliable. Obviously the AI is a bit too realistic....

The AI is bugged. Period.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm

I contacted Yamaha to see if I can get a refund.

I'm not holding my breath.

Pelicanomicon · Post by **Pelicanomicon** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:10 pm

heh I was wondering why Studio One was only seeing Vocaloid5 as Rewire. The VST dll installed into C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2. Why didnt' the installer tell me?

Loaded up an old file and it started singing out of time and glitchhing phrases. Then I saw every time it hit a tempo change in the DAW it began rerendering the vocal. Turns out it was it was on me, I dn't read the manual. "Synchronize with the global tempo of DAW by disablign the tempo track. Use this if the tempo DOES NOT CHANGE IN A SONG."

If a song has variable tempo, you have to import a MIDI file with tempo information or manually pencil changes in VOCALOID5 tempo ruler. Anyway all good to go now. Having the voice singing along to realtime orchestration is so much more inspiring.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:16 pm

Pelicanomicon wrote:heh I was wondering why Studio One was only seeing Vocaloid5 as Rewire. The VST dll installed into C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2. Why didnt' the installer tell me?

Loaded up an old file and it started singing out of time and glitchhing phrases. Then I saw every time it hit a tempo change in the DAW it began rerendering the vocal. Turns out it was it was on me, I dn't read the manual. "Synchronize with the global tempo of DAW by disablign the tempo track. Use this if the tempo DOES NOT CHANGE IN A SONG."

If a song has variable tempo, you have to import a MIDI file with tempo information or manually pencil changes in VOCALOID5 tempo ruler. Anyway all good to go now. Having the voice singing along to realtime orchestration is so much more inspiring.

That probably explains why my track was singing out of time.

rezoneight · Post by **rezoneight** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:00 pm

I've listened to every example in this thread and they all sound like some weird Anime vocals. I can't for the life of me believe that even a "bad" real singer with correction by Melodyne isn't better than this. Seriously.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:12 pm

rezoneight wrote:I've listened to every example in this thread and they all sound like some weird Anime vocals. I can't for the life of me believe that even a "bad" real singer with correction by Melodyne isn't better than this. Seriously.

Then you haven't heard me sing of late.

Anyway, it's moot. I refuse to sing and I refuse to hire singers. So this is my option. I'm content with it. Those that don't like it, nothing to see here.

rezoneight · Post by **rezoneight** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:24 pm

I listened to the example you posted of yourself singing with Vocaloid as the backing singer. It sounded better than Vocaloid on its own by a long shot. Suit yourself but I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by refusing to do your own vocals and correcting them.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:52 pm

rezoneight wrote:I listened to the example you posted of yourself singing with Vocaloid as the backing singer. It sounded better than Vocaloid on its own by a long shot. Suit yourself but I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by refusing to do your own vocals and correcting them.

Doesn't matter what you think. I hate singing. I'm not singing anymore. Case closed.

GearNostalgia · Post by **GearNostalgia** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:06 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Pelicanomicon wrote:heh I was wondering why Studio One was only seeing Vocaloid5 as Rewire. The VST dll installed into C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2. Why didnt' the installer tell me?

Loaded up an old file and it started singing out of time and glitchhing phrases. Then I saw every time it hit a tempo change in the DAW it began rerendering the vocal. Turns out it was it was on me, I dn't read the manual. "Synchronize with the global tempo of DAW by disablign the tempo track. Use this if the tempo DOES NOT CHANGE IN A SONG."

If a song has variable tempo, you have to import a MIDI file with tempo information or manually pencil changes in VOCALOID5 tempo ruler. Anyway all good to go now. Having the voice singing along to realtime orchestration is so much more inspiring.
That probably explains why my track was singing out of time.

Did it fix your problems with the V5? Curious about getting this some day, but it depends on how it goes for you.

GearNostalgia · Post by **GearNostalgia** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:10 pm

BTW have anybody here tried Tonio from Zero-G? He seems to have a different tone that I kind of like. But it seems he is only for Vocaloid2 or will that load with the latest version?

https://zero-g.co.uk/products/tonio-vocaloid-2

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:11 pm

GearNostalgia wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
Pelicanomicon wrote:heh I was wondering why Studio One was only seeing Vocaloid5 as Rewire. The VST dll installed into C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2. Why didnt' the installer tell me?

Loaded up an old file and it started singing out of time and glitchhing phrases. Then I saw every time it hit a tempo change in the DAW it began rerendering the vocal. Turns out it was it was on me, I dn't read the manual. "Synchronize with the global tempo of DAW by disablign the tempo track. Use this if the tempo DOES NOT CHANGE IN A SONG."

If a song has variable tempo, you have to import a MIDI file with tempo information or manually pencil changes in VOCALOID5 tempo ruler. Anyway all good to go now. Having the voice singing along to realtime orchestration is so much more inspiring.
That probably explains why my track was singing out of time.
Did it fix your problems with the V5? Curious about getting this some day, but it depends on how it goes for you.

I haven't gone back to it yet. The workflow is still a nightmare having to bounce back and forth between the DAW and the editor just to set where you want to play back from.

After I finish my current project and then upgrade my PC again (because this orchestral streaming stuff is a CPU killer) then I'll go back to it and see if I can tolerate working with it.

I'm not holding my breath on this one.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:12 pm

GearNostalgia wrote:BTW have anybody here tried Tonio from Zero-G? He seems to have a different tone that I kind of like. But it seems he is only for Vocaloid2 or will that load with the latest version?

https://zero-g.co.uk/products/tonio-vocaloid-2

Only V3 and V4 banks will load into V5.

GearNostalgia · Post by **GearNostalgia** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:51 pm

wagtunes wrote:
GearNostalgia wrote:BTW have anybody here tried Tonio from Zero-G? He seems to have a different tone that I kind of like. But it seems he is only for Vocaloid2 or will that load with the latest version?

https://zero-g.co.uk/products/tonio-vocaloid-2
Only V3 and V4 banks will load into V5.

Too bad, hope there will be more new voices now with V5.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:52 pm

GearNostalgia wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
GearNostalgia wrote:BTW have anybody here tried Tonio from Zero-G? He seems to have a different tone that I kind of like. But it seems he is only for Vocaloid2 or will that load with the latest version?

https://zero-g.co.uk/products/tonio-vocaloid-2
Only V3 and V4 banks will load into V5.
Too bad, hope there will be nore news voices now with V5.

As long as they're better than Amy and Chris. Of course it's hard to get worse.

Fire your singers folks, Vocaloid 5 is here!