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wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Get a tax ID #.

You're a company.

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:14 pm

There is more on development costs and related material on this page... Interesting topic. http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/VOCALOID_development

wagtunes wrote:Get a tax ID #.

You're a company.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:16 pm

Well, I'm about to give Chris from V5 a spin.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:05 pm

Well, talk about a MAJOR step backwards. There is NO way to directly edit phonemes in V5. I looked in the manual. I checked all the FAQs at the site. I went online and asked the question to see if there's even ONE person who has previously asked this question. I found one thread but when I clicked on the link I got a 404 error, not found.

I cannot believe they did this. What if you type in a word that V5 doesn't recognize, in which case it just leaves it at the default "ooo?" Then what? You're just SOL?

If there's some hidden function or something that's not listed in the manual that somebody is aware of, please let me know.

Un freaking believable.

SirkusPi · Post by **SirkusPi** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:52 pm

wagtunes wrote:Well, talk about a MAJOR step backwards. There is NO way to directly edit phonemes in V5. I looked in the manual. I checked all the FAQs at the site. I went online and asked the question to see if there's even ONE person who has previously asked this question. I found one thread but when I clicked on the link I got a 404 error, not found.

I cannot believe they did this. What if you type in a word that V5 doesn't recognize, in which case it just leaves it at the default "ooo?" Then what? You're just SOL?

If there's some hidden function or something that's not listed in the manual that somebody is aware of, please let me know.

Un freaking believable.

The manual (p. 19) talks about hitting ctrl-R (Windows) / cmd-R (Mac) to enter "Phonetic Symbols Mode" and "directly edit the phonetic symbol." Is this not what you're referring to?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:52 pm

Never mind. They buried it in the editor menu. It used to be you could just click on edit phoneme and go inside and edit it. Now, you have two edit modes. If you're in text mode (the default) you can't edit the phoneme. If you're in phoneme mode, you can't edit the text. There is no way to enable both at the same time. So you have to keep bouncing back and forth between text and phoneme mode. If you have a lot of phonemes to edit, this becomes a royal PITA.

Seriously, V5 is a total workflow killer. It's versatile and yeah, I even got Chris to sound decent with all the controls you now have (mind blown at the power of this thing) but what a mess to work with. Takes forever to get anything done. V4 is so much faster even though it's not as flexible. I guess that's the price you pay. I don't know. Just not a lot of fun working with V5 though I have to admit, it can do a lot. An expert, with time and patience, can probably get this thing to sound really good. There are just so many parameters to learn. It's a bit daunting, even for me. The problem is, you don't really know what the effect of each one is until you use it. Open and closed mouth is probably the most powerful of them all. You can actually make these things mumble.

Unreal.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:55 pm

SirkusPi wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Well, talk about a MAJOR step backwards. There is NO way to directly edit phonemes in V5. I looked in the manual. I checked all the FAQs at the site. I went online and asked the question to see if there's even ONE person who has previously asked this question. I found one thread but when I clicked on the link I got a 404 error, not found.

I cannot believe they did this. What if you type in a word that V5 doesn't recognize, in which case it just leaves it at the default "ooo?" Then what? You're just SOL?

If there's some hidden function or something that's not listed in the manual that somebody is aware of, please let me know.

Un freaking believable.
The manual (p. 19) talks about hitting ctrl-R (Windows) / cmd-R (Mac) to enter "Phonetic Symbols Mode" and "directly edit the phonetic symbol." Is this not what you're referring to?

I read the whole manual. Didn't see it. Probably missed it. Figures. Haven't tried it so don't know if it actually works. Scrolling with this thing is still a nightmare and I can't find anything on that either. Of course I might have missed that too. I'm talking about scrolling across as you're selecting parts to copy. Doesn't seem to be a way to do it and I can't find anything.

mevla · Post by **mevla** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:08 pm

wagtunes wrote: I read the whole manual. Didn't see it. Probably missed it. Figures.

Well, there's no need to read the manual. A simple search using 'phon' would return a few hits I believe.

Cheers.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:25 pm

mevla wrote:
wagtunes wrote: I read the whole manual. Didn't see it. Probably missed it. Figures.
Well, there's no need to read the manual. A simple search using 'phon' would return a few hits I believe.

Cheers.

Well that's the first thing I did. Came up with 1 of 4. 1 wasn't it. Hit the down arrow to find 2 and it never moved. So I'm like WTF?

Finally, when I could see it wasn't working I said "screw it" and read the whole manual. That's why I read the whole manual and that's why I didn't find it.

GearNostalgia · Post by **GearNostalgia** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:39 pm

Scotty wrote:There is more on development costs and related material on this page... Interesting topic. http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/VOCALOID_development

wagtunes wrote:Get a tax ID #.

You're a company.

Great link. Thank you. From what I can gather from that it is a costly endeavour and no wonder why there are so few Vocaloids made. I could sink a few hours into experimenting with it, but not those dollars...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:07 pm

Gave Chris from V5 a whirl. I got him to sound decent but I'd never use him for anything other than EDM stuff.

Life On Mars

Life on Mars
Life on Mars
Gets so hard
That life on Mars

Work all day
Work no play
Have to say
No fun today

Instrumental Break

Life on Mars
Life on Mars
Got no bars
That's life on Mars

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... lead-vocal

V5 is still a PITA to work with.

carl#kvr12 · Post by **carl#kvr12** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:27 pm

@ fluffy_little_something;
"Can I simply enter the lyrics to be sung"?

Yes it seems that there's a chance to change lyrics. Check out the video in this article here. (video at 2.55 Min)

Vocaloid

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:30 pm

carl#kvr12 wrote:@ fluffy_little_something;
"Can I simply enter the lyrics to be sung"?

Yes it seems that there's a chance to change lyrics. Check out the video in this article here. (video at 2.55 Min)

Vocaloid

Yes, I copy and paste mine from an Open Office doc.

GearNostalgia · Post by **GearNostalgia** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:43 pm

wagtunes wrote:Gave Chris from V5 a whirl. I got him to sound decent but I'd never use him for anything other than EDM stuff.

Life On Mars

V5 is still a PITA to work with.

Nice I got a little Kraftwerk vibe here

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:44 pm

GearNostalgia wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Gave Chris from V5 a whirl. I got him to sound decent but I'd never use him for anything other than EDM stuff.

Life On Mars

V5 is still a PITA to work with.
Nice I got a little Kraftwerk vibe here

Thanks. I'm not sure what I was going for here.

Fire your singers folks, Vocaloid 5 is here!