Panning -> Volume Increase?

[fluffy_little_something]

I noticed in Mulab that the farther I pan the signal to the left or right, the louder it gets on the chosen side. Is that normal (i.e. common with other DAW's as well) and does it even make sense? I think it doesn't, would be better if panning to the left meant reducing the volume on the right channel and leaving the volume on the left channel the same

[chk071]

If you take a look at what voice allocation over the stereo panorama does, it makes sense: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramaregler

I assume you're not talking about a 2-voice unison patch, where the 2 voices were spread to both sides of the stereo panorama. The increase in volume will surely not happen there, if i understand it right. When you panned both voices to the middle (mono, no voice spread), then it's obvious that panning them to the sides will increase their volume on each channel.

[fluffy_little_something]

I had a simple mono 1-voice bass in the center. When I moved it to the left or right with the pan knob in Mulab, the volume on the chosen channel got much louder. I noticed mainly because my loudspeakers started to distort considerably

[BertKoor]

Come on... after 6 years and 12.000 posts you managed to keep out of all the pan law threads?

[fluffy_little_something]

Hehe, I never cared much about those things, don't know of pan laws. I only slightly pan to either side usually, so I never really noticed the volume increase.
Today I only noticed because I panned the sound all the way in order to investigate if the distorted vibration came from both or one of my speakers. (Turns out it is on both, due to the bass port opening, when I cover it with my hand, the vibration is gone immediately.)

[ENV1]

I had a simple mono 1-voice bass in the center. When I moved it to the left or right with the pan knob in Mulab, the volume on the chosen channel got much louder.

Called gain compensation. The volume you subtract from one channel gets added to the other so that the actual level remains the same. (Which i hate with a passion, after all when i disconnect the left speaker the right one doesnt magically get twice as loud either.)

But thats an easy one to fix. Once youve switched to REAPER (i read that you intend to) this wont be a problem since you will have full control over that aspect. (In fact since the default is no compensation you dont even need to do anything for that.) But should you want to change it you can rightclick a pan knob and set it up any way you want. You can even type in your own decibel value should you not want to use any of the presets offered in the dropdown menu.

[jancivil]

Once youve switched to REAPER this wont be a problem since you will have full control over that aspect.

Have you never used another DAW? FFS.

[ENV1]

You mean other DAWs have something like that too?

No kidding?

How very advanced of them...it seems those wheels of progress really do never stand still.

[chk071]

You mean other DAWs have something like that too?

No kidding?

Yeah, no kidding. Welcome to the real world, above the Reaper rock.

[jancivil]

You mean other DAWs have something like that too?

No kidding?

How very advanced of them...it seems those wheels of progress really do never stand still.

Oh, sarcasm.

Yeah well, you actually said 'when you switch to REAPER' you can sort it. That qualification in your statement is not particularly meaningful then, I suppose.

[ENV1]

Oh, sarcasm.

Yeah well, you actually said 'when you switch to REAPER' you can sort it. That qualification in your statement is not particularly meaningful then, I suppose.

Are you really that dense or is the heat interfering with your mental abilities?

He said he wants to switch to REAPER, i said once he does that he will have control over the pan GC.

Is that difficult to comprehend? Like unclear or something?

WTF do other DAWs matter when we are specifically talking about a switch to REAPER?

And you call me an idiot...

[fluffy_little_something]

I had a simple mono 1-voice bass in the center. When I moved it to the left or right with the pan knob in Mulab, the volume on the chosen channel got much louder.

Called gain compensation. The volume you subtract from one channel gets added to the other so that the actual level remains the same. (Which i hate with a passion, after all when i disconnect the left speaker the right one doesnt magically get twice as loud either.)

But thats an easy one to fix. Once youve switched to REAPER (i read that you intend to) this wont be a problem since you will have full control over that aspect. (In fact since the default is no compensation you dont even need to do anything for that.) But should you want to change it you can rightclick a pan knob and set it up any way you want. You can even type in your own decibel value should you not want to use any of the presets offered in the dropdown menu.

Good to know, one more reason to switch to Reaper

I think it makes sense not to increase the volume on the panned channel because usually most stuff is in the center, while there is little on the far left and right, so it doesn't take more volume in order to make instruments be heard as there is no competition.

[fluffy_little_something]

Once youve switched to REAPER this wont be a problem since you will have full control over that aspect.

Have you never used another DAW? FFS.

Yes, FL years ago, hated it and don't remember details.
And Mixcraft, but I have not even installed it on my new computer, so I can't check how it handles panning.

[BertKoor]

Equal power pan law makes most sense: just tweak the panning while the mix balance stays the same.

Only trap you fell in was you had no headroom left for panning what already is the loudest track, which always is the bass. So it clipped. Otherwise you would not have noticed. Like you have not notice within your carreer so far

[lfm]

Equal power pan law makes most sense: just tweak the panning while the mix balance stays the same.

Is that really happening - you don't have to touch the mix fader level?
I think power is same L+R, but this does not mean it will not dominate if hard panned.

From Sonar manual, since Cubase does not have all these options. I think Reaper does this below too, or close to.

(Default) 0 dB center, sin/cos taper, constant power. This choice causes a 3 dB boost in a signal that’s panned hard left or right, and no dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

-3dB center, sin/cos taper, constant power. This choice causes no boost in a signal that’s panned hard left or right, and 3dB dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

0dB center, square-root taper, constant power. This choice causes a 3 dB boost in a signal that’s panned hard left or right, and no dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

-3dB center, square root taper, constant power. This choice causes no boost in a signal that’s panned hard left or right, and 3dB dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

-6dB center, linear taper. This choice causes no boost in a signal that’s panned hard left or right, and 6dB dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

0 dB center, balance control. This choice causes no boost in a signal that’s panned hard left or right, and no dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

So to be compatible, let's say if you transfer projects with OMF/AAF or similar it's good to check out if you want to some at least similar.

You can get same result either pan law, but setting would be different on pan+fader in either case. Not sure what is better from compatibility point of view.