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Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:54 am

I love Reason.. you'll never stop me coppers!!

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:00 am

Yeah dont underestimate Reason.

But even MORE importantly, dont OVERestimate Reason.

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:09 am

i rate reason so low that there is no possibility of me underestimating its power

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:18 am

quincy wrote:This one might kick off. Allow me to start

I used to own reason (yes - another one i bought then sold fairly quick ) and i found it to be a very inspiring piece of software, in the sense that it was very immediately fun to play with.

That said, despite excellent CPU usage and rock-solid stability the like i've never seen elsewhere, i found some of the synths and FX distinctly thin and frankly rather average.

The whole hardware interface thing, whilst fun and flexible, just turned out to be a chore once i tried anything further than simple setups (couple of sends and a few insert FX).

Basically my conclusion was that it was a nice toy and massive fun value in the first instance, but it then got tiring very quickly. Someone said it better than me elsewhere, but the whole "hardware-alike" thing may look nice, but it doesn't exactly take advantage of the nature of software GUIs. It seems a bit backward to be honest (in general, not just reason).

Anyway thats enough of me rambling. Who wants to attack me first? Any reason fans in the mood?

I'm not a Reason fan so I can't shoot you right now.

But I will tell all of you that I like FL Studio & Project5 much more because it has a open format to use other VSTi & DXi.

I already know about Rewire. But that will never be enough for me. Reason was design to be self-contained from day one. And that is the only reason (no pun intended) why I don't need Reason right now.

If I not able to use other soft instruments inside this soft studio, then forget it.

I stand by my words.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:26 am

Cabinfever wrote:i rate reason so low that there is no possibility of me underestimating its power

vista · Post by **vista** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:52 am

ORION PRO for 140 $ (100 pounds)
plus some free Soundfonts
and some free VSTi's (!!!)
is the better deal !!!

SeanyK · Post by **SeanyK** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:04 am

Its just what suits your workstyle though.

I prefer to use Cubase as a host, and love using VSTi's, but realised that perhaps 3 or 4 vanguard instances, a couple of discovery instances and maybe 5 audio tracks and my computer was brought to its knees!

I never realised Reason didnt use hardly as much cpu power as the above.

I can comfortably run 3 or 4 sounds from NNXT, then a couple of redrum instances (I keep the OHH & BD seperate until I work out if its possible to add effects to individual sounds within redrum lol).
Then a few audio tracks and maybe 1 or 2 Vanguards.

Thats a 'fatter' sound, and uses less cpu power than the first 'layout' I mentioned.

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:50 am

When I first tried Reason I thought it was a toy. My brother (who knows almost nothing about music production) showed it to me on his mac, opened dr.rex and played some loops. I thought, great another crappy loop workstation. And the brightly-coloured rack + animated cables didn't help this impression.

But after I tried it again about a year ago, I realized its not a toy at all. You can make any type of music in Reason - if you accept the fact that the sequencer is awful and just use Rewire. Once I accepted that and bought Tracktion I've got on great with Reason. If I need more complex sounds I just toss a instance of Rhino, EVE or Wusikstation in there - sorted

As for cpu usage I've worked on tracks with well over 100 modules (synths, effects, mixers, sequencers combined), and I can't recall a project ever using more than 50% cpu (excluding rewired vsti tracks). My friend runs Reason on his P3 450 and can create pretty complex mixes as long as he watches his polyphony and doesn't go crazy with vocoding and RV7000 verbs.

griels · Post by **griels** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:02 am

Hmm, Reason:

The Good:

Low CPU usage, Maelstrom, NNXT (although not up to the standard of the VST offerings), RV7000, the vocoder, Scream, most of the effects. Stable. Modular. Generally quite a polished sound.

The Bad:

Most sound modules are distinctly average sounding. Slick, yes, but exciting? Hmm...

The Ugly:

As Reason only acts as a Rewire slave (except for Rebirth) you can't use the great FX on external tracks without first sampling them and importing them into NNXT.

Refill banks only load in Reason, so all those nice Propellerheads banks aren't going anywhere else.

The UI is fiddly in the extreme. Why a rack paradigm? A Reaktor style 2 dimensional arrangement (with macro style grouping) would be better. Software is weightless, so no need to worry about an unsupported module pulling all the other ones down in a heap

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:04 am

you said paradigm...

griels · Post by **griels** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:04 am

CypherOne wrote:paradigm...

So did you

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:05 am

doh! you tricky trickster...but you started it.

griels · Post by **griels** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:06 am

CypherOne wrote:doh! you tricky trickster...but you started it.

Oh, OK, why a rack conthept?

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:07 am

dunno, what is Reason anyway?

griels · Post by **griels** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:12 am

CypherOne wrote:dunno, what is Reason anyway?

I thought you had all the answers?

Do not underestimate Reason...