How Long Does Other DAWs Take To Save 20,000 Midi Items?

[JoseC.]

To me, this sounds like procastination mixed with some condition, like OCD

OCD? You know as a psychologist I can tell you that you have just abused a very serious disorder, which causes a lot of agony for those suffering from it and their relatives. Reported.

Abused? How? I am not diagnosing anything, I was sincerely wondering what was the right way to help, but, of course, you cherry picked that part out. Not everybody here goes around attacking others, not me, certainly. It was you who entered this thread with an abusive attitude, and who seems to have made a diagnose. Until then, the conversation was fairly polite for kvr. It is you who are flaming here.

[Unaspected]

I'm not trolling. I think this should be looked at; not just by Monsieur Babble, in my assessment this kind of approach shouldn't be encouraged. Unless wasting time is to be encouraged.

I concur. You highlighted a number of subjects which really do require addressing if Harry wants to improve both his method and grasp of drum programming.

IF he wants to improve...Well, he did not and did not call you up to be the authority to tell him either. Who are you to tell people how to make music without their request? How conceited of you if you for a moment think anyone would follow such an "expert" advice without asking for it.

You quoted my reply to Jan - so I've added that back in for context. You definitely haven't read this thread because Harry clearly expressed a desire to improve the process - that's the point of the whole thread. He wants to reduce this crazy 5.5 hour export time. If Harry didn't think that was a crazy long export time he wouldn't have started this thread. Most of the people in this thread have been helping him.

The additional advice on drum programming and analysis was naturally offered by several other people in this thread. I didn't even really touch on that - though there is plenty that could be said.

Well, now I am here to his defense and since he is not here to object to it, you have to deal with Mr. I-am-gonna-tell-ya. A self-proclaimed expert from the internet that tells people what to do and how to think. How groundbreaking original. That we have never seen before.

He asked for help making the process more efficient. You're not here to defend anyone. You're here to talk about censorship and cause some kind of fuss - without any provocation.

[IncarnateX]

Well, we will have to let the mods be the judges of all that now, won't we? Hi and bye.

[Unaspected]

We do now. Didn't have to before you arrived.

This thread calls for a lock and I have personally requested one due to abuse of psychiatric diagnoses. Whether a lock is coming and will be sufficient or there will be a banfest too will probably depend on how far you guys are ready to take this.

Shouldn't this be Harry's call? Banfest? You're the one derailing the thread - Having never even bothered reading it - Evidenced by everything you're writing.

Harry is perfectly capable of taking care of himself and working out what will help him and what won't. You are the conceited troll here.

[IncarnateX]

Yeah. See my answer above. Still applies.

[Unaspected]

Yeah. See my answer above. Still applies.

If anyone needs to apologise to Harry for going completely off topic and kinda crazy, that would be you. And now you want his thread shut down. Really good of you. You've been a big help. I'm sure he'll appreciate that.

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Maybe we can get back on topic now.

[IncarnateX]

Yes, you are as innocent as a Sunday School and I am the Devil. Time will tell, as said.

And if I am the troll here, you better counter report me, right? Fair 'n Square.

[Unaspected]

Yes, you are as innocent as a Sunday School and I am the Devil. Time will tell, as said.

And if I am the troll here, you better counter report me, right? Fair 'n Square.

I don't behave like that. I don't report people, block people or call for any form of censorship. So. No. I won't be reporting you for anything. I don't hold anything against you but I have no idea why you are behaving like this.

[harryupbabble]

Please mods... do not lock my thread.

Sometimes, there are people who actually try to provide solutions, people like Evil dragon. And may still try to provide solutions. And sometimes the same people do not care about anybody's method of music-making.

[IncarnateX]

Ibut I have no idea why you are behaving like this.

Really, and yet you were ready to PM me and discuss a "shared pain" that made me "lose" my mind over the thread. Does not sound like anything in favor of Harry's approach. And have you seen his answers to your long list of objections (that you somehow see as helpful suggestions)? It does not seem that he find them particularly helpful but rather feels he continually has to defend himself against your polemics. All that does not sound to me like you really want to help his quest on his premises but rather tell him to do something else and debate it when he declines.

[IncarnateX]

Please mods... do not lock my thread.

Sometimes, there are people who actually try to provide solutions, people like Evil dragon. And may still try to provide solutions. And sometimes the same people do not care about anybody's method of music-making.

On basis of the above, I hereby withdraw my request for a lock, mods. But I will report any abuse of psychiatric diagnoses. And yes, from reading the thread (which I have despite unaspected's evasive claims), my impression has also been that the one helping exactly on the premises requested was Evil Dragon. Cudos to him for that.

[fmr]

For anybody that may find it useful, here are the drum midi velocity averages for a song by the Beatles. Birthday, from the White Album:

Kick =80
Snare = 110
Closed Hi-Hat = 115
Opened Hi-hat =120

I guess that's better than having all midi velocity at 100.
Holey moley, the kick is the quietest! How abnormal is that these days?

Those values are completely wrong and meaningless. Ringo Starr is analog, not digital. Besides that, do you know what "dynamic range" means? And "ghost strokes"?

It might not be completely right but It's not completely wrong. It depends on the transcriber. The one that transcribed that Beatles song is pretty good, to my ears, well compared to other transcribers at least.

As stated before, it's a lot better than keeping all the midi velocities at 100. Plus, if I ever create a song that is good enough, and if I could afford it, I won't leave it in REAPER project form. I will hire real musicians to play it and my drum track will just be to give the hired drummer a rough idea of what I want it to sound like.

Okay I found a macro recorder to replace the malfunctioning Pulover Macro Creator. It's called Tiny Task, another seeming freeware gem.
I'm now off to try Evil Dragon's method using Tiny Task to simulate a lua script. I was too dizzy last night to do it. Okay be back in a couple of hours, depending on how well Evil Dragon's method shrinks the 5.5 hours waiting time, that is. Okay ciao bellas and bellows.

Just curious, but did you ever heard of a thing called "groove quantize"? I don't have the habit to use quantization, but it was a "very cool feature" in the 90s in any sequencer. What groove quantize does is applying a "groove" to any recorded track (usually we would start with drums, but it could be used on other tracks too), and that way you end up with MIDI informationm that is more "live" (or not live, also mechanic/electronic, like the MPC grooves).

Later, MIDI/audio sequencers even implemented tools/features that were able analyze an audio track and extract a MIDI groove from it, that can be subsequently applied to MIDI tracks. You can still do this in Cubase, although it seems to be harder than it used to be. But applying a groove quantize to a recorded drum track is much better than what you are doing, IMO.

It isn't very straightforward in REAPER either, but it seems possible. https://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=154

When doing this investigation, I realized we seem to have lost some back features during the DAW evolution. Things that we had for granted 15 years ago, seem to be almost gone now.

Anyway, even with the extra work involved, I think this is a better alternative, IMO

[IncarnateX]

I was sincerely wondering what was the right way to help.

Just after characterizing his behavior as mixture between procrastinations and OCD? And you think that this does not add up to something like he needs psychiatric help? Think again.

[harryupbabble]

Speaking of solutions. I think Evil Dragon's solution may actually work if done with a lua script.
And also, it's possible that macro recorders can still do the job. I am thinking that the macro recorder/player that I was using is to blame and not REAPER nor Evil Dragon's solution.
So I'm going to try other macro recorders/players. That, or learn lua scripting myself.

I've got 10 days left of the REAPER 60-day trial. After that, I may have up to a year of waiting till REAPER 6.0 arrives. So I guess I can learn lua scripting, little by little, during that waiting time. Lua scripting seems to be super-valuable to REAPER.

I try all sorts of methods in term of music-making. There is no point in making so many songs with a faulty method or else one would be guilty of Einstein's definition of the word "insanity" which is doing the same thing over and over even if the result is not improving. Or something like that. One song is enough for a failed method. But hey, one day I may find a method that always provides very good results and then I'll stick to that and make lots of songs.

[fmr]

I was sincerely wondering what was the right way to help.

Just after characterizing his behavior as mixture between procrastinations and OCD? And you think that this does not add up to something like he needs psychiatric help? Think again.

Well, playing devils advocate, who cares? If he can live and be functional with his disorders, let him live. Many ceators/artists had psychiatric disorders, and that didn't prevent them from being great artists (actually, it might even help).

Not that I agree with his working method, but it's HIS method. If he feels right working that way, so be it