KVR Audio

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:10 pm

no, I have all the questions.

Reverend Rhythm · Post by **Reverend Rhythm** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:31 pm

What was the reason for this thread?

PSYPOX · Post by **PSYPOX** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:57 pm

i use FL and reason to make samples

wuuhuu

and logis as sequenser

wakka wakka!

caganer · Post by **caganer** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:05 pm

Reason: What a good graphics designer can do for a music program.

Marando · Post by **Marando** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:33 pm

I realy love Reason 2.5

It's always a joy to start writing another song. At first, I used it completely standalone but since a few months I start to use it rewired with Cubase SX and I must say that this realy works much better than I thouht it would.

Love it!

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:40 pm

Marando1 wrote:I used it completely standalone but since a few months I start to use it rewired .....

Bleh. Rewire to me is a clumsy work around to Reason's innability to complete music on its own.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:58 pm

Well i am not agree with you AD80

If you learn reason well enough then you will see that it is a great tool to create music from beginning to the end.
You can create almost anything in it if you learn how to use it

It´s just a matter of taste actually.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:14 am

D-Fusion wrote: Well i am not agree with you AD80

If you learn reason well enough then you will see that it is a great tool to create music from beginning to the end.

Uhmm, I probably know Reason better than you do

. But I dont know it well enough to program my own FM synth inside it or figure out how to record audio inside it for example. Is reason a great app? Of course. Can **I** make music with it alone? Nope.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:35 am

Reading this thread it seems that even the diehards acknowledge it's many shortcoming yet are able to overlook them and continue gushing about it. "It sounds thin but I don't care because I can ReWire it and use it with some decent synths" or "Sure its fiddly but if you fiddle long and hard enough you can get it to work miracles, sort of."
Weird.
From my perspective it seems that Propellerheads are the kings of the commercial model. Everything is proprietary - ReWire, Rex, etc, etc. They force all their users to adopt their standards. Updates include a few big features, like a new synth, and very few minor improvements because big new features sell licenses, fixing or improving things for existing customers does not. It is the same with most software development but the Props, armed with an enormous marketing budget, seem to have taken it to the n-th degree and, for whatever reason [oops], suceeded. If you want to be the victim of slick marketing, go for it!

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:43 am

HI

Their a bit slow on updates/bug fixes though.

Flipper.

Reverend Rhythm · Post by **Reverend Rhythm** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:18 am

Resistance is futile.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:07 am

Reason: very retro, I like it.

drez · Post by **drez** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:13 am

BONES wrote:Reading this thread it seems that even the diehards acknowledge it's many shortcoming yet are able to overlook them and continue gushing about it. "It sounds thin but I don't care because I can ReWire it and use it with some decent synths"

I guess you were quoting what I said. I did say it can be thin. Yes, you can make one subtractor in it with the init patch sound pretty thin. However, the Organge2 Refill for the NNXT is not. It sounds great, especially run through 3 or 4 Malstrom Filters either in Series or individually. Create Feedback loops that control themselves with the Matrix, etc.

BONES wrote: or "Sure its fiddly but if you fiddle long and hard enough you can get it to work miracles, sort of."
Weird.

Yes, you can get it to do things that you cannot do in other hosts, so I guess it would indeed seem a miracle. For me, its just normal.

BONES wrote: From my perspective it seems that Propellerheads are the kings of the commercial model. Everything is proprietary - ReWire, Rex, etc, etc. They force all their users to adopt their standards. Updates include a few big features, like a new synth, and very few minor improvements because big new features sell licenses, fixing or improving things for existing customers does not. It is the same with most software development but the Props, armed with an enormous marketing budget, seem to have taken it to the n-th degree and, for whatever reason [oops], suceeded. If you want to be the victim of slick marketing, go for it!

Well, Reason is closed on the inside, but open to the outside with Rewire. Its not kludgey, and its zero latency. If it were that retarded, why is it that almost every host supports it? Its not because you can rewire just Reason into the other hosts, its because its a good protocol. Live, and Orion (I think) are both host AND slaves. Why did they make them Slaves if its so ridiculous.

If Rex is so ridiculous, why are so many people making VSTi's based on the technology? Intakt, Phatmatic, Reflex, ONE, etc. They have zero to do with reason and everything to do with a good technology.

As for victim, that's a bit of a strech. It does exactly what it says it can do and tons more that you can't explain in a glossy. I don't think that there is much to "fix" in Reason. It doesn't break, at least it never has for me. Sure, it could be enhanced, but they have done that already.

For those of you that thought the Reason 2 to 2.5 upgrade was piddly, then you must not know much about the program. The addition of the Scream and Reverb units was huge! But the bigger addition are the CV and Audio Spiders. It allows unbelieveable connectiviy possibilities that version 2 couldn't touch. Its simple yet it can be as complicated as you want it to be.

Plus, I can zip up a tiny file and send it to my buddy in an email and he has the entire thing because we already have the same refills. Smart.

Reason is extremely capable and for me it can do it all. I posted this in the Cafe awhile back, but here's halfa tune I did completely in Reason (I haven't had time to try and finish it). Yes, the mastering sucks because I suck at mastering (sorry about the crackling, I just haven't had time to sort it and the bass is prolly hot because all I have are headphones). I'm not saying the tune is great and its probably not your cup of tea, but I think it shows that you can at least make a pretty diverse soundscape with Reason.

NoAC

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:34 am

drez wrote:Well, Reason is closed on the inside, but open to the outside with Rewire.

Which is their own standard, not one of the several others that were already there and working in 99% of hosts.

Its not kludgey, and its zero latency. If it were that retarded, why is it that almost every host supports it? Its not because you can rewire just Reason into the other hosts, its because its a good protocol. Live, and Orion (I think) are both host AND slaves. Why did they make them Slaves if its so ridiculous.

I think you'd be very much in the minority, not thinking ReWire was cludgy. For my part, I ain't never tried it 'cause I don't need it for anything.

If Rex is so ridiculous, why are so many people making VSTi's based on the technology?

Simply because Propellerheads marketing has been so sucessful. Rex is an inferior format but its been well marketed.

As for victim, that's a bit of a strech. It does exactly what it says it can do and tons more that you can't explain in a glossy. I don't think that there is much to "fix" in Reason. It doesn't break, at least it never has for me. Sure, it could be enhanced, but they have done that already.

Did you not read the post about the sequencer?

For those of you that thought the Reason 2 to 2.5 upgrade was piddly, then you must not know much about the program. The addition of the Scream and Reverb units was huge! But the bigger addition are the CV and Audio Spiders. It allows unbelieveable connectiviy possibilities that version 2 couldn't touch. Its simple yet it can be as complicated as you want it to be.

Plus, I can zip up a tiny file and send it to my buddy in an email and he has the entire thing because we already have the same refills. Smart.

And I can do that same with my co-writer using .wav's. Best thing about that is that we use different hosts but it still doesn't matter.

Reason is extremely capable and for me it can do it all.

Unless you want to record or play back long audio parts like complete vocals or guitar parts, etc. Or unless you want to use better instruments [you know, one's that aren't thin] or plenty of other things that made ReWire necessary in the first place. Or even if you have a monitor that's capable of display more than 800 pixels across.
You can maybe, at a stretch, compare Reason to a single plug-in or modular environment but even a proper host as cheap as EnergyXT offers far more than Reason ever can [except in terms of marketing because its far too cheap to be taken seriously]. I'll listen to your mp3 when I get home and get back to you on it.

Skaven83 · Post by **Skaven83** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:20 am

One thing I never understood in Reason is why everything sounds so.... MONO. You know what I mean? I make a song and in mastering stage I really have to try and spreaden the stereo field. Ofcourse you can pan instruments, but then this isn't quite the same thing. Is this a common known problem? Because if someone does know a fix to this, I'm all ears.

Do not underestimate Reason...