Zebra 2 Brain Overload

[twitewhite]

... that I'd be willing to switch to Linux almost immediately once Bitwig/Reaper has a way to easily use Windows VSTs in Linux.

So you want to change to Linux to use Windows VSTs?

Why not save your work and simply leave the computer (or even better - shut it down, and this way save some energy and be more ambient friendly?)

Only because I've invested thousands of dollars in them. Kinda ridiculous to throw away what I have to make the switch. However, once I switch, from that point on I'd buy only Linux VSTs. Both can play together nicely, just as my 32 bit and 64 bit plugins do on Reaper right now.

[mevla]

Great. So after you've so called "learned the chops" what are you supposed to do with this stuff? Make professional recordings and have everything that you'll need, for any genre, to do that?

So since "learning" is as far as this limited selection is going to get you, again, what's the point? You're still going to have to move to an industry supported OS in order to DO YOUR JOB.

Sometimes I think it's pointless even getting involved in these asinine debates.

You are actually moving away from your initial statement. You did not see the point in my reply, I showed it blatantly to you, and now you move.

Never was the case of actually working as a mixer ever implied. For that matter, professional activities are not part of the current thread, or for that matter of most KVR/Instruments threads. People express their opinions on instruments and they never (or very seldom perhaps) show their business audio background or use any audio business background as an argument for their opinions. Nor do they show the amount of money they made in the audio industry to add substance.

Do you ?

[mevla]

What a poor and limited selection!

That's exactly the point to learn about mixing. Get the fluff out to learn the chops.

Good strategy. Less options = more focus. I made the same experience concerning mixing. I'm not on Linux.

Indeed. That approach is platform/OS independent

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

It doesn't matter what you think of Linus and Charlie Brown, what it's used for or how good it is. The only thing that matters is the reality of what the world of computers offers and doesn't offer to musicians. Linux offers very little.

It's not that bad. It's actually quite good to not have 100s of plugins while learning how to mix, how to create. So let's make a list from what I use that's solely native Linux:

DAWs: Bitwig, Harrison Mixbus32C (Mixbus has basic compression and tape saturation built-in)

Synths: All u-he synths, pianoteq, Discovery Pro/Bliss/Vertigo, Redux, Biotek, Waverazor, Zynaddsubfx.

Audio Processing: u-he's Presswerk, Satin Uhbik series and Protoverb, OvertoneDSP plugins, Tracktion plugins, all Harrison plugins.

That's frankly more than enough to learn and put into practice mixing and creative skills.

What a poor and limited selection!

All about perspective. Some of us came from dubbing two consumer tape-decks, through expensive 4-track recorders and expensive hardware effects; having to hire expensive recording studios or knowing the tea-maker. Then onto expensive 16-track HD recorders, with midi sequencers, hardware samplers, effects etc...all VERY expensive.

Honestly! Had I that "poor and limited selection' when I started out, over 30 years ago, I'd have been in heaven.

You kids don't know you're born

[wagtunes]

Great. So after you've so called "learned the chops" what are you supposed to do with this stuff? Make professional recordings and have everything that you'll need, for any genre, to do that?

So since "learning" is as far as this limited selection is going to get you, again, what's the point? You're still going to have to move to an industry supported OS in order to DO YOUR JOB.

Sometimes I think it's pointless even getting involved in these asinine debates.

You are actually moving away from your initial statement. You did not see the point in my reply, I showed it blatantly to you, and now you move.

Never was the case of actually working as a mixer ever implied. For that matter, professional activities are not part of the current thread, or for that matter of most KVR/Instruments threads. People express their opinions on instruments and they never (or very seldom perhaps) show their business audio background or use any audio business background as an argument for their opinions. Nor do they show the amount of money they made in the audio industry to add substance.

Do you ?

Here's what I don't do. I don't use things that don't allow me to do the things that I need to do. I see no point in it. It's why I don't try to do video work in Windows. I find it a poor choice. As much as I hate Apple, if you're going to do video work, especially the kind of graphics you see in sci fi movies, you do it with Apple products. If that was my profession (thank God it's not) I wouldn't be on Windows. I'd be on MAC.

I would be on Linux to do absolutely nothing related to multimedia of any discipline.

That was my initial point when I said in my first reply on this topic that it doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks of Linux. It's not supported enough to do any kind of serious audio or video work.

That was my initial point and it's still my point.

Nowhere have I said differently but have only elaborated on it.

[mevla]

Here's what I don't do. I don't use things that don't allow me to do the things that I need to do. I see no point in it. It's why I don't try to do video work in Windows. I find it a poor choice. As much as I hate Apple, if you're going to do video work, especially the kind of graphics you see in sci fi movies, you do it with Apple products. If that was my profession (thank God it's not) I wouldn't be on Windows. I'd be on MAC.

That makes sense. Especially if you do that to being bread and butter on the table.

That was my initial point when I said in my first reply on this topic that it doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks of Linux. It's not supported enough to do any kind of serious audio or video work.

Again, you are very likely associating the definition of serious to business to revenues. This is quite likely out of scope for most KVR threads.

Here we do what we like, we share it, perhaps even go further. We talk about it, and exchange opinions. This very context defines what a 'serious' production is.

[pdxindy]

That was my initial point when I said in my first reply on this topic that it doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks of Linux. It's not supported enough to do any kind of serious audio or video work.

And yet lots of serious audio and video work has been and continues to be done on Linux...

[zvenx]

That was my initial point when I said in my first reply on this topic that it doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks of Linux. It's not supported enough to do any kind of serious audio or video work.

And yet lots of serious audio and video work has been and continues to be done on Linux...

What do you define as serious work?
And examples/evidence in the audio world please?
rsp

[martinjuenke]

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It ain't much I'm asking, if you want the truth
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Songwriter: Brian May / Freddie Mercury / John Deacon / Michie Nakatani / Roger Taylor
Songtext von I Want It All Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC

[chk071]

That was my initial point when I said in my first reply on this topic that it doesn't matter what you or anybody else thinks of Linux. It's not supported enough to do any kind of serious audio or video work.

And yet lots of serious audio and video work has been and continues to be done on Linux...

What do you define as serious work?
And examples/evidence in the audio world please?
rsp

You're doing it wrong. You need to believe. Then it will be true.

[mevla]

I would be on Linux to do absolutely nothing related to multimedia of any discipline.

Others might disagree. BMW promo made with Blender:

[zvenx]

http://blog.mikepan.com/


http://blog.thepixelary.com/post/167616 ... ers-cycles

rsp

[Etienne1973]

If there's more Linux support by developers then do we Mac/Windows guys fear that resources for us decrease? So we don't get our 10th dream toy per category fast enough?

[mevla]

You're doing it wrong. You need to believe. Then it will be true.

Blender:

[chk071]

I'd use Blender as a hobbyist too, if i had the choice between free and a multi thousand € a year subscription for one of the professional tools. If you ask someone who does 3D modelling though, he will tell you that Blender is a jack of all trades, which can do a bit of everything, but nothing really in depth. There are sculpting tools, there are modellers, there are animation tools, which are much more specialized, and do a lot more than Blender. Blender is nice, no doubt, but, the GUI for example shows exactly what is often wrong with Open Source software. Every time i open it, i feel like entering a space shuttle. WOOOT, where's the button to start this thing???