FXpansion releases Cypher2

[Grizzellda]

Guys, what you are saying is... that I need to ditch my beloved win7 and move on? No fkn way...

I hear ya dude, I'm on Windows 7 too...

but if you are gonna want a new computer down the line, modern processors and motherboards might not operate without Windows 10.

[gentleclockdivider]

A single instance in Reaper uses 2.5 GB of RAM (mostly for the UI) and the interface gets calculated even when shut down. Is this a video game or a music application?

It's a CPU hog as well.

Such is life.

@bbtr, how do you look at the task manager memory usage and know when it is the gui causing it out of curiosity.
thanks
rsp

because the gui redraws itself when browsing through presets .

[zvenx]

because the gui redraws itself when browsing through presets .

Not arguing if it does or doesn't, but how can you tell it does?
rsp

[yellowmix]

Yeah there's some kinda memory leak. Whether it's the GUI or the preset (~1183 parameters) or caching things, no idea, but it's not releasing memory on patch change. I don't think we can accurately blame it entirely on the GUI from our POV. It's DAW-agnostic—simply run the standalone version and watch Task Manager/Resource Monitor. If you're on Reaper run it as a dedicated process for now, so it will at least release the memory on unload.

Anyway, this is a fantastic synth and I think we're witnessing a vanguard of live synth expression. This is no easy feat especially since there is audio rate modulation (not just FM but WM), plus all the Transmod + Maths operators, and so many input possibilities that influence the output where there is a tight balance between pre-computing and computing on the fly. If you've used other contemporary synths with deep modulation you know how taxing this is on the CPU. And this takes it to the next level.

It seems to handle voices very well, in that additional simultaneous notes does not incur as much CPU usage increase as the first held note. Extended chords with individual note modulation is exhilarating. Really digging the mallet, string, and wind presets—extremely playable and expressive. And the virtual 5D keyboard certainly whets one's appetite for a real one. This is the cutting edge of commercial technology so it's going to leave some people behind.

[bmanic]

I have an i7-2760QM processor on a Thinkpad W520 which should be powerful, in principle.

Not sure in what reality you live but the i7 2760QM is ancient. It's one generation older than my ancient i7 3630QM which is from 2012.

So yeah, no your CPU is pretty much at the rock bottom of performance compared to anything similar that came out in the past 3 years.

Having said that, yes Cypher 2 is indeed a CPU hog just like it's predecessor.

[zvenx]

I just tested Windows 10 64bit Nuendo and indeed after browsing about 20 presets memory rises from 555MB to about 2GB and after another 20 presets it does rise to 3GB...... never monitored it before, I guess with 32GB Ram is rarely an issue for me.
Reported, but Angus I believe is on much needed vacation.
rsp

For completeness... happens on the mac too Cubase 9.5 and OS 10.12.6 Sierra

rsp

[Freaqpeak]

Soon, I think folks will not be able to install anything from Native Instruments or Steinberg if they are not on Windows 10.

False. Steinberg officially support Win7, after seeing how many ppl are still running it.....

Win7 is not eol btw. Guess how many % of win users are using 7?

Anyways. Interesting synth... im a eurorack user for a couple of years, its time vst synth dev elopers to get into more modular thinking! (maths, advanced seq, triggering, complex modulation)

[bmanic]

I can confirm the memory leak too (windows 8.1 here).

[zvenx]

Soon, I think folks will not be able to install anything from Native Instruments or Steinberg if they are not on Windows 10.

False. Steinberg officially support Win7, after seeing how many ppl are still running it.....

Win7 is not eol btw. Guess how many % of win users are using 7?

How much longer do you think Steinberg is going to support Windows 7?
rsp

[chk071]

Win7 is not eol btw. Guess how many % of win users are using 7?

Depends on where on the earth you look. About 35% world wide, i believe, but, you'll have to count the people running Windows 7 in China and India to the figure, while in the US and EU, much less people are using Windows 7, and much more are using Windows 10. When Cubase 11 will come out, Windows 7 WILL be EOL, with support running out, and, i'm sure at Steinberg, it will be a big consideration whether or not it will make sense to contine supporting. No matter about our feelings, it's a mere business consideration, based on how many people will still buy and use Cubase for Windows 7. Anything else just won't make sense.

[Freaqpeak]

Of course. But the point is, win7 is still very much alive in the daw community. Its stable and dont f**k up like win10 does each major update! Plugin registrations screws up. I use both with Cubase 9.5 with huge amount of plugins. ALL works in Win7. But not in Win10.
Win7 will be taken seriously by developers for about 1-2 more years is my guess. Cubase 10 will be out in december, if they go Win10 only .. maybe. Are there any actual audio tools for win10 only that doesnt work on win7? i know of no such plugin or daw (official support aside)

[bluzkat]

Guys, what you are saying is... that I need to ditch my beloved win7 and move on? No fkn way...

Hey, I felt the same way until I bought a new laptop last April. After a long discussion with the builder I gave in to Windows 10. You can turn off all the crap (even the forced updates if you choose to) and I have to admit it has been solid, very solid.

Its still your decision, but its not as painful as you might think. Just be sure your hardware can handle it.

[chk071]

Of course. But the point is, win7 is still very much alive in the daw community. Its stable and dont f**k up like win10 does each major update! Plugin registrations screws up. I use both with Cubase 9.5 with huge amount of plugins. ALL works in Win7. But not in Win10.

I really can't confirm that... i have a lot of plugins, and nothing lost registration here. One time, i think iLok lost its soft iLok, after one of the big updates, so i had to reinstall it, but, that was it really.

Unfortunately, there are security suites, and tuning tools, which intervene so deeply with the system, that it may even cause plugins to detect a hardware change on a update, or similar, so, that would be my first shot, if i would be experiencing something like that.

Don't get me wrong, i don't like the half yearly updates very much either, and, i think it's quite crazy from Microsoft to serve the insider, and "we want always new!" crew, instead of offering stability and consistency, but, that's how it is, unfortunately.

[Freaqpeak]

Small companies cant afford not supporting Win7 so far. IF Cypher2 is in fact Win10 only, which i doubt, no Win7 user will switch OS on their main production daw just because of this one plugin.

edit: ...and ofcourse going to Win10 is unavoidable if you want to install any new software in a few years.

[chk071]

No. But, obviously, fxpansion can live with sales to Windows 10 people only. Which is also telling.