FXpansion releases Cypher2

[Grizzellda]

I only have 'etch'. I think it's a great filter, and am fine with it's current feature-set. The only thing I would ask is that they maintain OS compatibility, which is a very real concern with Apple/Logic

heh, heh...but doesn't that qualify as ''support''? OS compatibility?

I'm pretty sure it does and they are not supporting etch now.

Because...well read this, it is straight off their website:

All of the FXpansion products listed on this page are discontinued and can no longer be officially supported. Details of these legacy products are provided for informational purposes only and to provide additional technical information (FAQs) and product downloads for use on old systems.

So after all, the questions I brought up in the ''Convo'' thread were pretty solid, I felt...but I am somewhat more aware now of the ROLI merger.

I also understand that a software company has to stay current. Plus, by getting with ROLI they have design considerations relating to this whole fresh hardware control paradigm, and well...I feel that they are in a transition here.

I will still maintain they need to get their forum back on the ol' KVR.

Oh yeah...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Since they are discontinued, you can't really 'ask' anything.

Of course I can. Both Fxpansion and parent company (Roli) still exist, and I'm sure the code still exists for users to re-download, so I would be free to ask anything.

No you can't.

No you can't. It's a discontinued product. You're the idiot.

Perhaps English is not your first language. To be clear: I can absolutely ask Roli, Fxpansion, or anyone else I feel like, absolutely ANYTHING...discontinued or not. If your contention is that they will refuse to do anything, then say that.

Even then, it's not out of the realms of possibility that developers could change their minds, whether I think they would or not. Bigger policy turnarounds have happened, in response to customer feedback/petition

Either way, my initial comment was both hypothetical and rhetorical. I had no intention of asking them. I was responding to someone who was hoping for feature updates with a turn of phrase that expresses that I don't even need that; rather, it would be great to just have them remain working.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I only have 'etch'. I think it's a great filter, and am fine with it's current feature-set. The only thing I would ask is that they maintain OS compatibility, which is a very real concern with Apple/Logic

heh, heh...but doesn't that qualify as ''support''? OS compatibility?

Again! I was responding to someone who seemed to be hoping for feature updates. There is a difference between further development, and just keeping your product in-line with os updates.

[Grizzellda]

Since they are discontinued, you can't really 'ask' anything.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Since they are discontinued, you can't really 'ask' anything.

Of course I can. Both Fxpansion and parent company (Roli) still exist, and I'm sure the code still exists for users to re-download, so I would be free to ask anything.

You are free to ask, but, when something is discontinued, they won't change anything about it anymore. But, yes, you are free to ask anything.

At least you understand that I am free to ask anything

Feel free to f**k off.

Now you're starting to understand Not such an idiot after all

[Grizzellda]

But el-bo, don't you agree OS compatibility is amongst the most basic type of support a company can offer for a product?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

But el-bo, don't you agree OS compatibility is amongst the most basic type of support a company can offer for a product?

Again! The comment was rhetorical/hypothetical. I did not know of their statement regarding support, and was just responding to someone else.

The comments are still there, if you're having trouble

[Grizzellda]

Again! The comment was rhetorical/hypothetical. I did not know of their statement regarding support, and was just responding to someone else.

The comments are still their, if you're having trouble

Understood.

[dreamvoid]

So FX have abandoned a load of products?

f**k that.

I sort companies out that don't maintain their older products - I rely heavily on compatibility with old DAW projects. Behaviour like that is not acceptable. This makes plug ins kind of DAW junk food - nice for printing some FX but not good if you're working as an artist on your sound and evolve with your tools.
For that reason I stopped buying iZotope products, with RX as an exception - now FXpansion will be on my list too. If I would put significant work into developing sounds for a synth I would expect it being NOT abandonded for many years to come.
That is so great with other companies like Waves - they have compatibility for so many years.

[KBSoundSmith]

But el-bo, don't you agree OS compatibility is amongst the most basic type of support a company can offer for a product?

Microsoft is going to be dropping support for Windows 7 and has already done so for older OS versions, if I'm not mistaken. When a 3rd party is developing new software (especially when it has to integrate with new tech like MPE that didn't really "exist" during older OS versions or on new generations of cpu/gpu/etc), at what point does the developer say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't take the time to make this brand new product -- which relies on new tech for its full functionality -- work on legacy systems." Plus, what is the cutoff point? Windows 8? 7? Vista? XP? ME? 2000? 98? 95? It stops being a good use of development time.

When everything about a user's system is no longer supported by any of the developers (hardware, OS, DAWs, plugins, etc), eventually a time will come when new products aren't going to made with their ancient tech in mind. It should come as no surprise.

That said...

I sort companies out that don't maintain their older products - I rely heavily on compatibility with old DAW projects. Behaviour like that is not acceptable. This makes plug ins kind of DAW junk food - nice for printing some FX but not good if you're working as an artist on your sound and evolve with your tools.
For that reason I stopped buying iZotope products, with RX as an exception - now FXpansion will be on my list too. If I would put significant work into developing sounds for a synth I would expect it being NOT abandonded for many years to come.
That is so great with other companies like Waves - they have compatibility for so many years.

I'm not unsympathetic to this argument. It's one reason why I also have not opted to continue on the iZotope bandwagon. I imagine most people would be okay with staying up to date on Ozone or RX, but certainly any of iZotopes less-known products tend to be throw-aways.

I also try to make purchases based on which developer I think is still going to be around for a good chunk of time and will keep backwards compatibility...when it makes sense to do so. Keeping old products up to date is fine...making new products backward compatible is a waste of time. Move forward.

[firepile]

So FX have abandoned a load of products?

f**k that.

I sort companies out that don't maintain their older products - I rely heavily on compatibility with old DAW projects. Behaviour like that is not acceptable. This makes plug ins kind of DAW junk food - nice for printing some FX but not good if you're working as an artist on your sound and evolve with your tools.

Exactly. This is way I will not buy anything from FXpansion in the future.

[lastmessiah]

Ok guys, we get it. It is really tragic that some old plugin is no longer supported on your Amiga 500. It's time to move on now.

[dreamvoid]

Ok guys, we get it. It is really tragic that some old plugin is no longer supported on your Amiga 500. It's time to move on now.

Says who? The young hobbyist who gets his stuff payed by mom and dad? If you rely on artistical work and a business (like me) you need reliable tools. Reliability is also given by compatibility thru the years/decades. We have enough positive examples in the industry. If FXpansion (or iZotope) thinks they can go away with their Abandonware they have to accept loosing good paying customers like me.

[lastmessiah]

I pay for all of my stuff. And I keep my operating systems updated and maintain my systems so they run efficiently. I have no illusions that software will last forever and I don't shed any tears when technology advances, in fact I celebrate it.

It's not like these legacy products stop working once they are EOL. You can still load them up and use them if you have the right compatibility.

I don't blame devs at all for not wanting to answer support tickets for old tech that is not running perfectly for some user's highly specialized use case and setup. Nobody has time for that and it gets in the way of real development.

[SLiC]

Cypher2 - 17 pages on this long awaited new synth and hardly anyone discussing how it sounds.

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