Bitwig 2.4 MPE fixed?
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- KVRAF
- 1551 posts since 2 Apr, 2015
Also not using the Linnstrument script you can get pitch bends recorder in MPE correctly, apart from an annoying bug where it strangely adds a 24 down pitchbend at the start of each note even though everything is set to 12!
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Bitwig, against the constitution.
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- KVRAF
- 2490 posts since 8 Jun, 2010
- Roger Linn Design
Hi Bob,
I’m afraid you’ll have difficulty getting results from any European during the month of August because pretty much everyone is on vacation. I’ve written to the principal programmer Claes about this but I wouldn’t expect any action until end of August. And Bitwig does have a LinnStrument.
I’m afraid you’ll have difficulty getting results from any European during the month of August because pretty much everyone is on vacation. I’ve written to the principal programmer Claes about this but I wouldn’t expect any action until end of August. And Bitwig does have a LinnStrument.
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- KVRAF
- 1551 posts since 2 Apr, 2015
Hi Guys,
If you are fed up with waiting for BW to fix this you can find a Bitwig controller script that works at 12/24/48/96 here: https://github.com/AndrewCapon/BitwigScripts
Copy the GenericMPE.control.js to your controller scripts folder as follows:
Windows: %USERPROFILE%\Documents\Bitwig Studio\Controller Scripts\
Mac and Linux: ~/Bitwig Studio/Controller Scripts/
In BW Remove the Linnstrument controller and add "Generic->Generic MPE". Then set your midi channels and choose your PB range.
On your BW track set MPE on and set the same PB range.
You need to set the PB on the Linnstrument manually, I did have it doing it automatically but it was buggy so I removed it!
If you change your PB range you need to change it on the controller screen and in the MPE box on BW.
Cheers
Andy
If you are fed up with waiting for BW to fix this you can find a Bitwig controller script that works at 12/24/48/96 here: https://github.com/AndrewCapon/BitwigScripts
Copy the GenericMPE.control.js to your controller scripts folder as follows:
Windows: %USERPROFILE%\Documents\Bitwig Studio\Controller Scripts\
Mac and Linux: ~/Bitwig Studio/Controller Scripts/
In BW Remove the Linnstrument controller and add "Generic->Generic MPE". Then set your midi channels and choose your PB range.
On your BW track set MPE on and set the same PB range.
You need to set the PB on the Linnstrument manually, I did have it doing it automatically but it was buggy so I removed it!
If you change your PB range you need to change it on the controller screen and in the MPE box on BW.
Cheers
Andy
Bitwig, against the constitution.
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- KVRAF
- 25417 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
One behavior I don't like with Bitwig MPE
If I play say a C3 note, slide it up to D3, then play another C3 note, at that point releasing the held D3 (which started as a C3) stops both notes. It should only stop the first note not both of them. Not sure if that is a bug, or how it is designed (it's the same in 2.3.4), but it gets in the way of expressive playing.
In Logic, doing the same thing behaves as I expect... releasing the first note only ends that note, not both. This is the 'correct' way... meaning most natural and expressive for playing.
I sent Bitwig an email about this.
If I play say a C3 note, slide it up to D3, then play another C3 note, at that point releasing the held D3 (which started as a C3) stops both notes. It should only stop the first note not both of them. Not sure if that is a bug, or how it is designed (it's the same in 2.3.4), but it gets in the way of expressive playing.
In Logic, doing the same thing behaves as I expect... releasing the first note only ends that note, not both. This is the 'correct' way... meaning most natural and expressive for playing.
I sent Bitwig an email about this.
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- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
It is a bug, I reported it. If you construct MPE polyphony with an Instrument Layer and Midi Channel Filters in front of multiple synths, it behaves correctly even in Bitwig...
Obviously it assigns the same Midi channel to the note I played previously, If I bend a note and then play the original pitch the bend is undefined varying between the bent not and the not bend note...
It is not keeping its Midi channel, as the Linnstrument certainly plays different Midi channels...
Obviously it assigns the same Midi channel to the note I played previously, If I bend a note and then play the original pitch the bend is undefined varying between the bent not and the not bend note...
It is not keeping its Midi channel, as the Linnstrument certainly plays different Midi channels...
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- KVRAF
- 1551 posts since 2 Apr, 2015
I'm guessing the problem is in the beta it works the same way it always has when it come to multiple notes of the same value.
Data like PB is attached to a note, all I think they have done is add "channel" to the note as well rather than the more logical idea of storing notes in channels.
Data like PB is attached to a note, all I think they have done is add "channel" to the note as well rather than the more logical idea of storing notes in channels.
Bitwig, against the constitution.
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- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Yes, it seems so, but then it will never be able to playback MPE as it had been recorded. There is a quirk in the concept. The principle for any recording should be: never touch it unless I tell you...
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- KVRAF
- 1551 posts since 2 Apr, 2015
When it plays it back though it uses the channel that is attached to the note, so it fixes the main problem of channel information being lost.
I think Bitwig originally took on the VST3 idea of Note expression and built upon that idea when they implemented their instruments and means of storing expressive data. Changing this way of doing things entirely now is probably a lot of work, so adding channel to notes is an "easy" solution.
I guess if we all report it as a problem something may be done about the multiple same notes problem though?
I think Bitwig originally took on the VST3 idea of Note expression and built upon that idea when they implemented their instruments and means of storing expressive data. Changing this way of doing things entirely now is probably a lot of work, so adding channel to notes is an "easy" solution.
I guess if we all report it as a problem something may be done about the multiple same notes problem though?
Bitwig, against the constitution.
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- KVRAF
- 25417 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I heard back from Bitwig. It is filed as a bug, but not fixed yetBobDog wrote:When it plays it back though it uses the channel that is attached to the note, so it fixes the main problem of channel information being lost.
I think Bitwig originally took on the VST3 idea of Note expression and built upon that idea when they implemented their instruments and means of storing expressive data. Changing this way of doing things entirely now is probably a lot of work, so adding channel to notes is an "easy" solution.
I guess if we all report it as a problem something may be done about the multiple same notes problem though?
