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And so, with another Slate Digital launch, the crazies attack and half the pages are given over to the usual knockabout over the reason why Steven Slate is a terrible person for claiming a plugin sounds like some venerated piece of rackmount gear.

Why do some vendors attract this? I haven't ruled out the possibility that some of it is self-made – how better to stay in the public eye than have a sockpuppet or two stir up controversy?

Having said that, I've seen people go to extreme lengths in some of these threads and they appear to have no connection (nor love) for Slate in particular. One I recall (at GS, not here) was a "mastering engineer" and analogue fetishist who posted a comparison of a Slate compressor against NI's free Supercharger, claiming Slate's was broken and even if it wasn't it was no good. It did seem that way until you realised that said "mastering engineer" had carefully lopped off the beginning of the sample in order to make the claim. As Roy Castle used to say before launching into a trumpet solo: that's dedication.

In t'other thread, ghettosynth argues (not unreasonably):
ghettosynth wrote:I don't think that you can completely discount the relationship between aggressive marketing techniques, and who that attracts, and what I would identify as something of a cult like following. You see the same kind of behavior surrounding Spectrasonics "fans."

I'm not saying that everyone who likes Slate, or Omni, are attracted by the marketing, but I do think that the marketing both attracts and repels distinct groups that are something like oil and water. Those who view it as religion feel compelled to defend it, and those who are repulsed by it feel compelled to attack it. In between there are people who have legitimate praise and legitimate complaints which become elevated to bifurcated extremes by the religious.
But is it the marketing? Spectrasonics' own marketing is, to my mind, quite different to that of Slate. Steven Slate does like to get in the faces of the analogue purists with his shootouts, so that's one thing that might get the more extreme reactions. OTOH, Spectrasonics don't do a lot on social media at all but anyone who opens a thread "should I buy Omnisphere?" has a lot of reading and burning-piano gags in front of them. Why do true believers latch onto some vendors and leave the others alone?

And yes, the thread title is clickbait.

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It's really strange why moderators are not doing their job in this case. Let's see, what are the rules?
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The same applies when abusing companies, no?
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Some naughty boys in the FG-A thread assume by the default that an offender is right, and a moderator sanctioning him is wrong. Moreover, bringing over fights from GS should be against the rules and should be sanctioned, no?
If a thread is locked or deleted this happened for good reason so don't start another thread demanding to know why the first thread was locked/deleted as that too will also be locked/deleted - if you wish to complain about such an incident please contact us privately.
Demanding to know on kvr why your post on GS was deleted? Lying about the content of this post? Going on and on and on about it? Making posts over there to bait a moderator into deleting them? Then bringing this over here?!
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Libel is the word I was looking for in the other thread.


So....... :?:

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GS has much more aggressive moderation. From what I can tell, if they get complaints about a post they'll delete first and ask questions later (or not at all). So, things spill out. This place often used to get refugees from the Reason forums with pretty much the same MO.

But it's a symptom rather than a cause. Why get so het up that the cause needs to be proselytised across the Web?

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It boggles the mind that such behaviour goes on for weeks without getting sanctioned!

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bbtr wrote:It boggles the mind that such behaviour goes on for weeks without getting sanctioned!
Some years back, someone outing themselves as a troll would have been banned here pretty fast. But you get the problem that they just create more sockpuppets and it turns into whack-a-mole for mods. There is an argument for letting them just get bored and shuffling off quietly.

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Which they don't. That is the problem! And letting them get away with it..........??? kvraudio is a business, run by a legal entity, and it should abide by the law of jurisdiction and its own rules. Libel is a crime punishable by law. In not sanctioning it, kvr becomes culpable too!

The only way I can explain this to myself is that mods are on vacation, or overworked. Or both.
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:hihi:

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Believe it or not, posting shit like that* can get you into real trouble, and cost you jail time or lots of $$$.

Laugh all you want!


*badass_billy type, in the FG-A thread.

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I do leave Steven Slate alone....

I don't use any of his plugins,so I completely ignore him and any other software that uses Pace/iLok protection :wink:

There are so many other great choices out there,that Mrs. Slate's little boy is completely out of sight and out of mind....

But I do have a lot of time for Stevie Wonder :tu: :party: :hug:
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No auto tune...

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bbtr wrote:Libel is a crime punishable by law. In not sanctioning it, kvr becomes culpable too!
Libel isn't a crime: it's civil law.

If someone sends a cease and desist, you can bet that post is coming down. No-one is going to stick their neck out for Billy Noname. But until then or it's really obvious, not much is going to happen. And I can't see much that's actionable in that thread.

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bbtr wrote:Which they don't. That is the problem! And letting them get away with it..........??? kvraudio is a business, run by a legal entity, and it should abide by the law of jurisdiction and its own rules. Libel is a crime punishable by law. In not sanctioning it, kvr becomes culpable too!

The only way I can explain this to myself is that mods are on vacation, or overworked. Or both.

First, libel will not cost you jail time. It is purely a civil matter. It is NOT punishable by law.
Indeed, threats of 'libel' are often chucked around by people who don't understand the law or the financial practicalities in going to court, and one party needing to win.


Second, Gamma-UT's thread here seems pretty reasonable. What's with all the accusations suddenly being fired at the KVR mods for no good reason?
In my opinion, and I would bet the opinion of many longer standing members here, John, Dan, bluedad and the others perform their roles very capably and with good judgement.

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digitalboytn wrote:...and any other software that uses Pace/iLok protection :wink:
Is no thread safe? :clown:

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Yeah, you can grow a beard Chris Crocker but you'll never leave Leave Britney Alone behind.

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Gamma-UT wrote:Why do some vendors attract this?
The internet has really become a silly place last couple of years.

Slate has my fullest respect when it comes to their plugins. Yeah, the guy himself can come across like an over-enthusiastic sales-guy at times - which I guess attracts people who think that dissing something is a measure of being cool.

He is running a company that have made my jaw drop more than a few times :tu:

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