Propellerhead Reason 10.2 on the way (26th of Sep.)

[medienhexer]

I think they're headed in the right direction with the Europa VST.

The Reason-specific workflow will never appeal to everyone. Any changes they introduce will not get everyone on board, either.

I think it's fair to say, though, that the rack, FX and instruments are appealing to a lot of people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be this level of emotional discussion. If there's nothing worth having in there, why would I bother tearing apart the sequencer and mixer?

So if they were to offer the rack, FX and instruments as VST/AU, I would love to use those in my DAW(s) of choice fairly regularly. Throw more readable GUIs on top and I'll pay a healthy upgrade price to keep you afloat. Then keep developing FX and instruments in parallel to the DAW and see which sells more.

[xbitz]

anyway a Logic just with racks in its MIDI Environments window would be nice ofc. a Logic with working PDC

[marooned ufo]

Do any of the DAWs available out there have 75% of the features above? Why does Reason have to get at least 75% of the above when no other DAW does? Yeah, I know, some of the requested features above would be unique to Reason, but I think you get my point.

Reason already has a pretty unique features set as of today, and would "shine" with even 1/5 of the above. Myself I would be happy enough with just a few more features.

4k/resizable gui
Track folders/grouping
Better CPU handling/Multi-core
VST optimization
More midi features
More automation features/curves
Showing keys pressed in the piano bar
New updated Combinator

I don't understand why some people need Reason to be the most feature rich DAW, the same pressure does not seem to apply to other DAWs. To me Reason is already unique, and I don't need it to have ALL features, because no other DAW has.

If everyone including yourself has a handful of feature requests, it tends to add up to a long list. Unless they are able to pump out more incremental updates at a quicker rate. I would prefer that they take a little more time and get it right, while keeping their main focus stability.

I think they're heading in the right direction listening to their customer's feedback and requests after all these years of navigating on their own compass. If you don't have a user base to back up your product, you'll always be playing catchup and grasping at straws.

There are some companies that fit this mold exactly. They are under the assumption that they know what users want, instead of actually providing a community dialog that they can filter through via voting or popular discussion.

Sometimes trying to create something that is unique and proprietary can have the opposite affect and alienate some users. It may work for a while, but eventually the incoming requests to be more like the modern "norm" takes precedence (e.g. VST). But, this also makes them less unique and their once used selling point is now mixed amongst the rest of the plethora of choices.

It's good to see companies take responsibility and do what it takes to remain technologically advanced and on the cutting edge of innovation, which sometimes requires the hard decision for total rewrites of code. And we all know this can take a long time, especially if it's part of their core engine and processing.

I'm sure there are several long time users with elapsed updates that are waiting for all these problems and features to be added. Meanwhile, they are using fully functional DAWs that have already addressed these issues. Getting them to switch back may be harder then it sounds.

[THE INTRANCER]

It would take at least another 10 years for the props to cover that big list on page one...These were my thoughts, I posted years ago...but some of what is listed, is illustrated... My thoughts of Reason.

[zenophilix]

This looks like it should be pretty cool, despite the sad attempt at a troll previously. Editing multiple MIDI clips is something I've definitely grown used to in Live.

[festeringheap]

Hello Anasou or Mattias or Propellerhead employee lurker

Will these changes also be implemented in Reason 10 Lite and Intro?

And will the upcoming optimization update also happen for those two products as well?

And, can a Lite and Intro owner be a beta tester for 10.2+ . And 11?

Thanks

[Anosou]

Side-note that's not listed in the blog post! I made sure we added an option to return the play cursor to last start position. I know at least two people here at KVR who had promised to buy Reason if we did, so...

Hello Anasou or Mattias or Propellerhead employee lurker

Will these changes also be implemented in Reason 10 Lite and Intro?

And will the upcoming optimization update also happen for those two products as well?

And, can a Lite and Intro owner be a beta tester for 10.2+ . And 11?

Thanks

Hello! Yes, they'll be implemented in Lite and Intro and performance optimization would happen there too. And yes, anyone can sign up for beta.

[AdvancedFollower]

I think they're headed in the right direction with the Europa VST.

The Reason-specific workflow will never appeal to everyone. Any changes they introduce will not get everyone on board, either.

I think it's fair to say, though, that the rack, FX and instruments are appealing to a lot of people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be this level of emotional discussion. If there's nothing worth having in there, why would I bother tearing apart the sequencer and mixer?

So if they were to offer the rack, FX and instruments as VST/AU, I would love to use those in my DAW(s) of choice fairly regularly. Throw more readable GUIs on top and I'll pay a healthy upgrade price to keep you afloat. Then keep developing FX and instruments in parallel to the DAW and see which sells more.

There's so much competition in the VST space, though. I mean, Europa is great, but there are so many wavetable synths out there. Without the rack and routing options with the other Reason devices, a single Reason device in isolation loses some of its appeal and unique selling points. I don't know the sales figures, though. It's quite possible Europa is selling really well as a VST, but then again, it's a lot cheaper than Reason.

I'm glad I went with Reason as my first DAW when I started making music. The rack concept taught me how the audio and control signals flow and how to use sends/returns and inserts properly etc. So it was great as a learning tool, but eventually the mess of virtual cables became an annoyance and started to feel gimmicky. The way most DAWs convey this information is perhaps less intuitive, but for me, it's more manageable and makes it easier to get an overview and filter out irrelevant clutter.

I recently tried the Reason 10 demo, but I found it had lost all of its "magic" for me. The fact that I had to squint to see the labels and knobs on some synths didn't make it better. The GUI needs to be updated badly, people have moved on from 1024x768 resolution.

At least with VST support finally available, it is becoming less of a "Reason vs The World", IMO. It's becoming more of "Just another DAW". People still seem quite emotional about Reason, but then again, it's the same with Reaper, Logic or any other DAW.

[Carpenter]

1. Better, easier comping. The comping is so fiddly with all those lines and triangles you have to place for each section. Also, the different takes should be able to be made different colors. For the best comping out there, see Studio One. The ONLY reason I do my audio recording in other DAWS and then import into Reason is that the comping in Reason is so annoying.

2. Something like Cubase's chord pads.

3. The ability to resize tracks, on a normal, adjustable slider, like every other DAW. Not three predetermined Reason presets.

4.In general, a more standard looking sequencer.

5. They should model other brands of desks and sell them as desk expansions. Swap out the SSL for other desks.

6. More refined pitch corrector.

7. An update to the M-Class processors.

[benheman]

If it's a free update...LOVE it!

[Studio Saturn]

Tell me still that SSL GUI is eye bleeding white? Have you improved the UA issue?

[Stupid American Pig]

Tell me still that SSL GUI is eye bleeding white? Have you improved the UA issue?

UA is so ingrained into my work I don’t use reason anymore. I submitted a bug report about ya performance a while back and they got back to me a few times and then went dark. I’m guessing that there was no fix at the time.

[Carpenter]

I LOVE that the Reason GUI is all white, bright, light and cheery. I'm SO... tired of these depressing dark grey DAW's.

I hope they never change this aspect of Reason.

[AdvancedFollower]

I LOVE that the Reason GUI is all white, bright, light and cheery. I'm SO... tired of these depressing dark grey DAW's.

I hope they never change this aspect of Reason.

Well they could do what many other DAWs do and have a dark/light mode or a brightness slider to suit everyone's individual preference

[Jace-BeOS]

I'm still holding off on any paid upgrading (I'm still at version 7) until Reason sports high-PPI graphics. Any news on that front, Propellerhead?