Multiple Portable REAPER Installations

[Guenon]

I think you "buy-it-now" advisers are blinded by your extreme loyalty to Justin. But I am of course just guessing when making that assessment.

I would call those people practitioners of the "get more bang out of your buck" principle. Some people are not born rich nor have jobs that pays 80 dollars an hour and some people have to be penny-pinchers because buying unfrugally piles up.

Yeah, blabla. The point is, you were at this already in 2015:

I'm thinking of saving up for a DAW.

Anyways, I've been reading more about Reaper's licensing options. For the discount license it costs 60 American dollars if "You are an individual or business using REAPER commercially, and yearly gross revenue does not exceed USD $20,000". Does this mean Reaper wants to see my income tax?

Rinse and repeat! That's you on KVR in 2015. "Does this mean Reaper wants to see my income tax?" Everything is a problem.

A $60 purchase causing all sorts of alleged distress over a considerable span of time. The "buy-it-now" advisers are saying you are seemingly obsessing over all kinds of meta so much that it simply isn't worth the monetary savings, and is distracting you from actually learning to make music. You aren't practicing the "more bang for your buck" principle, you are practicing the "more contrived headaches for your buck" principle.

[harryupbabble]

@Guenon

Whenever you quote me like that, especially if it is a post older than a week, please, I need a link to the post, lest it betaken out of context.

So in 2015 I was thinking of saving up for a DAW? What month in 2015? December? I need specifics.

I think there is progress there. From "I'm thinking of saving up for a DAW" to "I am going to buy REAPER 6.0 when it gets here".

That other quote of mine "Does this mean Reaper wants to see my income tax?" I asked that because how will people prove to Justin that they make less than $20,000 per year from income generated using the REAPER DAW as their primary music-making tool.

Everything is a problem because those problems are actually problems to me. But problems have solutions, you assisted in solving one of those problems. Thanks 10 to the power of infinity. But I do find solutions to many other problems by myself by typing search words in Google first. Usually, Google points me to the REAPER forum and usually at the REAPER forum, it's mostly Evil Dragon helping out newbies with problems that are the same problems as mine. At one point I thought "Why doesn't Justin hire people like Evil Dragon, or people that really knows their REAPER stuff to be part of a REAPER support department?"

Anyways, waiting for REAPER 6.0 is not a problem to me. I can do it. Coping with REAPER's complexity is the real problem for me.
Newbies get exposed to REAPER at 5.9x, at its most complex version and are expected to "get it".

There's a progression to everything. Pilot wannabes don't just get told "Here's the cockpit of this 747, now fly it." So I am learning REAPER 0.999 some more and when I buy REAPER 6.0, I can move on from learning version 0.999 to learning version 1.0. The REAPER license allows usage of any REAPER version older than REAPER 6.0.

Anyways, I need to take care of other neglected time slots. Be back later. Okay bye.

[EvilDragon]

At one point I thought "Why doesn't Justin hire people like Evil Dragon, or people that really knows their REAPER stuff to be part of a REAPER support department?"

Because this way, ED can pick who he can help instead of dealing with random fucktards here and there, haha.

Plus I'm quite happy with the job that I have right now

[jancivil]

Pilot wannabes don't just get told "Here's the cockpit of this 747, now fly it." So I am...

And somehow the chances of you dying in a crash or collision from missing how a feature functions instantly (or from choosing not to RTFM) in REAPER seem to be negligible. Your progress since 2015 is too apparently. People are telling you the truth here, guy, but you'd rather reframe and dress up your excuses.

[enroe]

There's a progression to everything. Pilot wannabes don't just get told "Here's the cockpit of this 747, now fly it."

Haha, nice analogy.

Pilot wannabes first get one year education - and Pilot wannabes
have to learn all the theory first.

In your case: You have to read and learn the manual first!

[mcbpete]

In his case he wants to fly 20,000 different 747's depending on what the destination is, but is holding off buying the latest 747 incase there's a newer satnav in the 2020 model and so is currently learning to fly using one of these:

[jancivil]

I think you "buy-it-now" advisers are blinded by your extreme loyalty to Justin. But I am of course just guessing when making that assessment.

I would tend to advise one spend the 60 bucks for something one for whatever reason believes one has a substantive use for. I don't use REAPER, it doesn't appeal, and I'm not a loyal to a business kind of a person like that anyway.

I would call those people practitioners of the "get more bang out of your buck" principle. Some people are not born rich nor have jobs that pays 80 dollars an hour and some people have to be penny-pinchers because buying unfrugally piles up.

You need to make $80 an hour to pay 60 bucks one time? I created and finished a lot of my music living on the street on my social check in 2017. I need to make music so I made sacrifices this last 40 years anyway. Think about what you're saying here. You're making excuses. So don't do it; are you reaching out for validation for making a whole_lot of excuses? You're consuming quite some screen space here, give us a break.

So speed scrabble costs you nothing. Wait, doesn't the internet, in some way? Becoming a musician - which is primary if you think you're about to write songs that are worth a shit - is going to mean things you do not want in your life, clearly.

Anyways, I've been reading more about Reaper's licensing options. For the discount license it costs 60 American dollars if "You are an individual or business using REAPER commercially, and yearly gross revenue does not exceed USD $20,000". Does this mean Reaper wants to see my income tax?

And the chances of you making over 20 grand in a year through your use of REAPER is that high, really?
You twist every part of this to make yourself seem reasonable. The things you say are not, and the twisting underscores this, brightly.

[harryupbabble]

Hahaha, I see the sargasmic twins are back. But now mcbpete is doing the "20,000" sarcasm bit. So funny. Are you Pete B. McEnroe?

Well anyways, at the time I had that "batch edit 20,000 midi items" problem, I couldn't be an instant pilot, and so I was a passenger.

But I came to the conclusion that at some point I have to become a "pilot" because REAPER is going to be my DAW for life. So yeah I have to really start "flying" by at least reading the copulating manual. But not the 5.9x manual yet.

So yeah, I made the decision to read REAPER manuals little by little, starting with the REAPER 0.999 manual. The problem is it doesn't seem to exist. I came to realise that the manual isn't installed by the REAPER installer. I do vaguely remember downloading the 5.9x manual separately. So, I tried downloading the REAPER 0.999 manual but I couldn't find it anywhere. Google was no help.

Anybody know where all the other "existing" old-version REAPER manuals are located? Maybe they are located in REAPER people's hard drives and archives.
If so, please upload them to Google Drive or something? It might be useful not just to me but to other REAPERites as well. Thanks in advance.

[harryupbabble]

That "buy-it-now" advise is not a consensus. At least two other people at the REAPER forum advised me to wait for REAPER 6.0.
That "buy-it-now" advise does nor fit everybody. Well-off people's advise sometimes doesn't make sense to poor people and tightwads.

Reading the 5.9x manual would have taken me forever to solve my "batch edit 20,000 MIDI items" problem. There is no section in that manual that "directly" dealt with the problem of "batch editing 20,000 MIDI items?"

I created a thread to deal with that problem and not many REAPER users (who I presume did read the manual) were able to solve it? In fact only two persons were able to do it: Evil Dragon and Guenon. I presume they know their REAPER stuff progressively, meaning that they are not newbies and didn't just start using REAPER at version 5.9x like many newbies do?

I am tackling many things at once (mainly speed scrabble + songwriting). It's frustrating that REAPER is complex to me and I have to tackle that too. And beg for solutions. It's just my reality. People are different. Some might not find REAPER complex at all. But I do.

Based on experience, I find that using Google is much much much better than reading the manual. The manual is a general guide while solutions found via Google is specific to specific problems, and faster. What's the point of the REAPER forum? It's there to help newbies? And maybe oldbies too?

I am going to be busy with testing the Developer Challenge 2018 entries for a while and so I'm putting this gigglefest on hold. Be back in this thread in October when the DC18 is done. Maybe. Depends on my budget. I gotta make a big deposit at the Central Bank Of Water Loo. Right now. Thanks for the giggles and the sometimes off-topic input everyone. Okay bye.

[bazwillrun]

Hes (the OP) cast his hook and the bait was well and truly taken taken...again

He is a troll, answer a question and then he'll ask two more in response....

[bazwillrun]

^ sorry for double post, having puter probs here

[Guenon]

In fact only two persons were able to do it: Evil Dragon and Guenon. I presume they know their REAPER stuff progressively, meaning that they are not newbies and didn't just start using REAPER at version 5.9x like many newbies do?

I started using Reaper during the 5.x cycle. I decided to learn it to get stuff done in it, and so I did.

A lot of what you say doesn't make sense. I don't mean it doesn't make sense in the semantic way or inside the artificial framework you stage for your arguments. I mean it isn't sensible if you actually want to progress.

For example, now you have kind of smuggled in the notion that even after you purchase a license for the current Reaper version, after all this deliberation, you are going to carry on by learning Reaper 1.0 -- a version released twelve years ago. That's quite a skillfull way to stir the pot even more without being too obvious.

Learning any sort of content creation, you need to familiarize yourself both with general methodology (how and why something is done, to reach a given goal) and the specifics of your chosen tools (how those things are done using what you have at your disposal). In the case of software, if you approach all of this by voluntarily getting comfortable with such an old version, for no particular reason, even as an owner of a current license... you will still gain on the methodology side, but you will also need to unlearn parts of the specifics when you step to a version over a decade more recent. It's just not sensible.

All in all, just saying that out loud for anyone who might be reading this. Hmmh.

[enroe]

... you are going to carry on by learning Reaper 1.0 -- a version released twelve years ago ... getting comfortable with such an old version ... It's just not sensible.

Oh no. I think Harry is right!

Sometimes it is sensible to confine yourself. The infinite possibilities
of a current DAW are so overwhelming and complex that it can
be sensible to go back one or two steps. And it can push creativity
if you restrict yourself to a smaller set of features.

And exactly that is what Harry does when he uses Reaper 0.99.

And besides that: Also Reaper 0.99 is vastly more comfortable
than tape-recording in the seventies! And remember what fantastic
songs were recorded and produced in the seventies!

So @ Harry: It is ok to use an older flattened version of Reaper,
but still you have to learn how to use such a software. Good luck!

[Guenon]

Andit can push creativity
if you restrict yourself to a smaller set of features.

And exactly that is what Harry does when he uses Reaper 0.99.

You are probably writing all of the above without knowing the history of Harry and his alleged workflow. That's exactly what Harry doesn't do when he uses Reaper 0.99. This isn't some guy wanting to record and track instruments, in a "vastly more comfortable" way than "tape-recording in the seventies." He has specifically and repeatedly told people he doesn't want to learn to play instruments in order to track them and make nice songs that way. His workflow revolves around mass editing literally tens of thousands of MIDI objects inside one project file, producing and storing generative/randomized raw material, yada yada. Then he finds more or less convoluted solutions on how to do all that in his chosen software environment. In this case, purchasing a license for version 6.0, but still proceeding to mull about in version 1.0 afterwards, is a sure recipe for "but but but I know how to do [insert needlessly convoluted process here, not using current functionality] in 1.0, why did they change [insert functionality changed in the past 12-13 years]?"

[BertKoor]

I'm putting this gigglefest on hold. Be back in this thread in October

OK, let us know when you're ready to receive your daily dose of attention again.