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xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:28 pm

Stefken wrote:Depends how you look at it. A possible conclusion may also be that peopke that use warez are not worth your while. I mean: this guy has not bought anything yet but Tone2 would have to put time in this guy because... he cracked their software.

I buy all my synths and hardly request any support. Now that's a customer you profit from....

Same here. But if they hadn't put that kid of cp then they wouldn't have to do any support for it and the op wouldn't probably be a happy new owner of Icarus.

I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:02 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Stefken wrote:Depends how you look at it. A possible conclusion may also be that peopke that use warez are not worth your while. I mean: this guy has not bought anything yet but Tone2 would have to put time in this guy because... he cracked their software.

I buy all my synths and hardly request any support. Now that's a customer you profit from....
Same here. But if they hadn't put that kid of cp then they wouldn't have to do any support for it and the op wouldn't probably be a happy new owner of Icarus.

I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.

that's like saying you robbed a bank, but the bank should now welcome you as a customer, so you won't rob them again.

if you pirate software, you're solely responsible for the outcome. if you make a mess, you need to clean it up (and on that note, wiping the OS and reinstalling does make the most sense).

Kelvin92 · Post by **Kelvin92** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:05 pm

Well, cracked files are not something to approve, but it Lets producers test software fully And without restrictions. I think a lot of people bought the plug-ins they cracked in the past, because they really love it And could test it fully.

I got a mail back from Tone2, they advised to delete all the cracked files (i did)) And the key registers. If that not worked, they told me to do a fresh install of Windows.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:20 pm

Most software can be demoed enough to know if you need it without having to steal it, I mean come on, how do you test hardware, guitars or mikes before you buy them, steal them first?

If you use cracked, pirated, illegal software you can hardly complain if you get viruses, trojans or a currupt OS, that’s the risk you take.....

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:35 pm

SLiC wrote:Most software can be demoed enough to know if you need it without having to steal it, I mean come on, how do you test hardware, guitars or mikes before you buy them, steal them first?

If you use cracked, pirated, illegal software you can hardly complain if you get viruses, trojans or a currupt OS, that’s the risk you take.....

It would be pretty dodgy for a developer to do that though...

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:54 pm

fisherKing wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Stefken wrote:Depends how you look at it. A possible conclusion may also be that peopke that use warez are not worth your while. I mean: this guy has not bought anything yet but Tone2 would have to put time in this guy because... he cracked their software.

I buy all my synths and hardly request any support. Now that's a customer you profit from....
Same here. But if they hadn't put that kid of cp then they wouldn't have to do any support for it and the op wouldn't probably be a happy new owner of Icarus.

I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.
that's like saying you robbed a bank, but the bank should now welcome you as a customer, so you won't rob them again.

It's not the same thing at all. In your example you steal something that you don't bring back. In reality it's more like you steal a car and decide later to pay for it because that's exactly what the op want to do. Tone2 is losing a possible sale, how is it good for them?

SLiC wrote:Most software can be demoed enough to know if you need it without having to steal it, I mean come on, how do you test hardware, guitars or mikes before you buy them, steal them first?

True when you know what to look for and you have some experience. When I started I didn't even knew what a filter was and demoing a synth that stop working after ten minutes would had been a frustrating experience. My 1st synth purchase was Sylenth1. I played with the pirated version for at least 6 months and tried other synths too before choosing it. I'm sure Lennard is happy I paid the $200 to him. Also a synth is more complex than a guitar or a mike.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:07 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote:
fisherKing wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Stefken wrote:Depends how you look at it. A possible conclusion may also be that peopke that use warez are not worth your while. I mean: this guy has not bought anything yet but Tone2 would have to put time in this guy because... he cracked their software.

I buy all my synths and hardly request any support. Now that's a customer you profit from....
Same here. But if they hadn't put that kid of cp then they wouldn't have to do any support for it and the op wouldn't probably be a happy new owner of Icarus.

I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.
that's like saying you robbed a bank, but the bank should now welcome you as a customer, so you won't rob them again.
It's not the same thing at all. In your example you steal something that you don't bring back. In reality it's more like you steal a car and decide later to pay for it because that's exactly what the op want to do. Tone2 is losing a possible sale, how is it good for them?

SLiC wrote:Most software can be demoed enough to know if you need it without having to steal it, I mean come on, how do you test hardware, guitars or mikes before you buy them, steal them first?
True when you know what to look for and you have some experience. When I started I didn't even knew what a filter was and demoing a synth that stop working after ten minutes would had been a frustrating experience. My 1st synth purchase was Sylenth1. I played with the pirated version for at least 6 months and tried other synths too before choosing it. I'm sure Lennard is happy I paid the $200 to him. Also a synth is more complex than a guitar or a mike.

the car idea... don't try that in the real world. and it doesn't take 'experience' to click on a demo button on a website. 10 minutes? what demo runs for 10 minutes?

seriously, all you seem to be doing is trying to justify what is, and the end of the day, an illegal act. still, personally, i don't care what you do, i just think it's time to take responsibilty, not try to convince the ppl on this forum that it's 'okay'...

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:50 pm

The car idea was not perfect but it reflected the situation better than your example. And I'm not trying to convince anyone, there's a lot of people that started using pirated software and went legal later on when they knew want they really liked/wanted, that's fact. In the end Tone2 is probably losing a sale and when you're a company you try to have more sales, not less.

tasty tatsyn · Post by **tasty tatsyn** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:55 pm

Ok i don't to be a jerk but i'll leave an honest opinion...

i'll start by one example...
a while back i had a few tracks on soundcloud uploaded in WAV available for download.. a few days after uploading them i found out some people were downloading them trough "generic*mp3download.com" as a low quality mp3 ?!

how hard would it be to click that download button?

.... good question...........

it's obvious by now some people will take the more unfair route to the developers if they can.

i can even add some people who have some really expensive gear and spend hundreds $$$$ in a night out, presented with the chance of not paying for VST's they just take it... and say hypocrite stuff like "i'll save the money for hardware synths, fx's and so on, and so on"..... and then that friday go out again and spend another hundred $$$$$

life is about choices, i prefer to support developers who practiced and educated themselves for years and worked for some more to provide the high quality VST's (synths+FX's, etc) we have today...

---- and i can conclude by now that he probably used the cracked version while installing/using the demo otherwise the demo would probably work

- if that's the case i would just assume my responsability, format and clean install windows... ( with all the other beneficts included)
- if that's not the case then he should probably format anyhow because.. Logic.......

just an opinion though

tasty tatsyn · Post by **tasty tatsyn** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:16 pm

fisherKing wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Stefken wrote:Depends how you look at it. A possible conclusion may also be that peopke that use warez are not worth your while. I mean: this guy has not bought anything yet but Tone2 would have to put time in this guy because... he cracked their software.

I buy all my synths and hardly request any support. Now that's a customer you profit from....
Same here. But if they hadn't put that kid of cp then they wouldn't have to do any support for it and the op wouldn't probably be a happy new owner of Icarus.

I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.
that's like saying you robbed a bank, but the bank should now welcome you as a customer, so you won't rob them again.

if you pirate software, you're solely responsible for the outcome. if you make a mess, you need to clean it up (and on that note, wiping the OS and reinstalling does make the most sense).

this. responsability, counsciousness.....

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:22 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote: I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.

I think you miss the point. The point is not to make it hard to become a customer, but to prevent people from using warez in the first place. If the issue here really is that there were former warezed Tone2 plugins installed (i doubt it... if anything, then the plugins remove illegit Tone2 keys, not prevent the installed plugin from working), then it's quite a joke to expect any support from them. Again, though, i doubt that that is the problem. Unfortunately, there is not a spark of information to get out of Kelvin92, so, difficult to say.

tasty tatsyn · Post by **tasty tatsyn** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:43 pm

chk071 wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote: I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.
I think you miss the point. The point is not to make it hard to become a customer, but to prevent people from using warez in the first place. .

i just didn't want to state out the obvious, and i can undersand some stuff in some context
as i said before a few years back there were no demos available, now there are!
some U-he synths make me think about them 2,3,4,5,100 times...

and don't talk about time limitations or the buzz sounds with others because with the icarus demo i did a few tracks with some own sound design and the buzz ones ( i remember spire) i just use it at a lower volume and a little EQ over it, it doesn't prevent me from testing it at all

i prefer Rob Papen loading wait without buzzes but i can test preety much all of them as much as i need to

tasty tatsyn · Post by **tasty tatsyn** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:48 pm

anyhow, i think he already got enough opinions....

here's something else..
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=510566

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:53 pm

chk071 wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote: I mean, name me one company that try to make it hard for a potential new customer to buy legit software. A company should try to turn pirates into legal customers, not turn pirates away so they'll go spend their money elsewhere or stay pirates.
I think you miss the point. The point is not to make it hard to become a customer, but to prevent people from using warez in the first place. If the issue here really is that there were former warezed Tone2 plugins installed (i doubt it... if anything, then the plugins remove illegit Tone2 keys, not prevent the installed plugin from working), then it's quite a joke to expect any support from them. Again, though, i doubt that that is the problem. Unfortunately, there is not a spark of information to get out of Kelvin92, so, difficult to say.

Well, nothing against Tone2 but it's not the 1st time I hear people having problems with their cp scheme. Never heard this kind of problems from other companies. And in the end if it's harder for a pirate to buy the software maybe they should look into it.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:58 pm

Yeah shame on them for having their cracked software mess up people's systems.
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