KVR Audio

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:10 pm

BONES wrote:
drez wrote:Or they prefer the direct control of Automation. I am the latter. Almost always, I like being able to change things exactly how I want them, not "letting it do its thing".
This is precisely what I mean. I can get exactly what I want on every individual note or sequence through modulating stuff via note velocity. How many VSTi don't have useful velocity modulation? A shitload, that's how many. That was one of the prime reasons I got interested in SynthEdit.

Maybe they don't do much velocity modulation because the majority of the world does it with automation?

I mean, if you have to go in and tweak individual velocities to get it sound the way you want it, then basically, all you are doing is automation anyway. Heck, sequencing itself is automation.

scandipandy · Post by **scandipandy** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:59 pm

crazed one wrote:Hey didn't we have about 200 threads like this last year?

Its like comparing an acustic guitar to a trumpet, different sounds, different layout, ... if you play the piano, what is best then... trumpet or guitar....

... and it will all go on over and over agian... it will never end ...

why ???

its all about miss-information and lack of information between ppl.

REASAN RULEZ... no other host (READ ANY HOST ON THE MARKET) makes me more productive ... not even XT.

Sound quality!!!!, just bounce it into PT and it sounds 1000% better then any SX-made wav file.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:06 pm

scandipandy wrote:
crazed one wrote:Hey didn't we have about 200 threads like this last year?
ITS LIEK COMPARNG AN ACUSTIC GUITAR 2 A TRUMPET DIFER3NT SOUNDS DIFER3NT U .!!1!11!11!!!!1!!11! OMG LOL IF U PLAY DA PIANO WUT IS BST THAN.11!!!111!11!!!11 TRUMP3T OR GUITAR..

.1!!!1111!1!11!!11!111!! LOL AND IT WIL AL GO ON OVER AND OVER AGIAN.1!11111!11!111!11 OMG IT WIL NAV3R END .1!!!1!1!1!!1!11!!11 OMG WTF LOL Y ?
ITS?!??!?!?!!!!?!??? OMG WTF LOL AL ABOUT MIS-INFORMATION AND LAK OF INFORMATION BTWEN PL!1!!!1 WTF LOL
R3ASAN RULEZ.1!!111111!!11!111 WTF NO OTHAR HOST (RAAD ANY HOST ON DA MARKET) MAEKS ME MOR3 PRODUCTIEV .!111!!!!!11!!111!1!1 LOL NOT EV3N XT
SOUND1!111!! LOL QUALITY!!!!!!1!1!11!1!!!11!1!! OMG WTF LOL JUST BOUNCE IT IN2 PT AND IT SOUNDS 100% BTER THAN ANY SX-MAED WAV FIEL111!!1! WTF LOL

Really? How fascinating.

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:15 pm

Uhm, the whole world replaces velocity with automation? Sounds like a typical Reason user.

You didn't even consider the possibility that that on a decent synth velocity can affect a lot of things and on the instrument end you can easily control what velocity (the only parameter always present on each and every note, no less) does...

Do you automate for example piano tracks so they sound properly played?-) You know some people actually play, perform if you will and record that...

And yes, this is meant lightheartedly and is taken to extremes

I just find it kinda funny that nowadays automation is taken as a replacement for something as rudimentary (this is a general observation from several different sources and people... "who cares if your synth can't do thing x from velocity, you can automate it afterwards", psssh)

Regards,

JMH

PS Reason really ain't that bad

glaucomys · Post by **glaucomys** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:17 pm

I have noticed that people that have worked with racks of hardware like to use Reason, somewhat designed for the old-school (hate that phrase) and people new to the scene tend to fit in to any other package because they don't have their head wired that way already. Personally, if Reason had AU/VST support and audio tracks, it would be everything I need. I've been making music for a long time and with Reason I can make stuff that a whole room of gear couldn't do better, and I've had a whole room of gear! sold it, don't need it.

With the samplers, you can do much more than your hardware, and who needs a Viri clone, not me.. if I do, I'll dig up a sample.

Render your tracks and mix them in another host and your all set. Give it a chance to grow, I think 3.0 will make people crap their pants, every major version so far has, so why not. These are smart people over there working on this stuff, and it has NEVER crashed, and I've been using it since 1.0

what more can you ask for? just make music!

Glau

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:23 pm

jmh wrote:Uhm, the whole world replaces velocity with automation? Sounds like a typical Reason user.

You didn't even consider the possibility that that on a decent synth velocity can affect a lot of things and on the instrument end you can easily control what velocity (the only parameter always present on each and every note, no less) does...

Yes, but what if I don't want that synth "quieter". Assigning everything to velocity is forcing me to change how that synth sounds to make other parameters "do something". What if I want to change that note to a higher velocity to get louder? Now that changes parameters that I don't want to change.

I play almost all my stuff live. I sequence some, but mostly I'm jammin on my Oxygen8. But I use velocity to control things for that one sound, because velocity is specific to how I make that instrument play, and when I'm playing live, I don't think "wow, if hit this note a tad bit harder, I'll change the filter cutoff on this other module". I just play the notes, and then "automate" the filter on the other module to make it sound how I want it.

Yes, I will use one thing to automate a bunch of other stuff like a Matrix curve or gate CV going to a bunch of modules, but I control that with parameters that don't effect how loud or soft a synth is, or whatnot.

Personally, it sounds like more work than automation

jmh wrote: Do you automate for example piano tracks so they sound properly played?-) You know some people actually play, perform if you will and record that...

I play 90% of all my parts by hand, but I will definitely automate the reverb tails per phrase, the delay amounts per phrase, etc. Why would I NOT do this? I can add reverb on a particular part for an effect on a piano phrase to make it stand out.

How am I going to do that with velocity, but WITHOUT making the piano part louder because I hit the note with more velocity?

jmh wrote: And yes, this is meant lightheartedly and is taken to extremes I just find it kinda funny that nowadays automation is taken as a replacement for something as rudimentary (this is a general observation from several different sources and people... "who cares if your synth can't do thing x from velocity, you can automate it afterwards", psssh)

I guess I'm just a tweaker

That's also probably why I have trouble finishing tunes because I'm constantly jackin with them

But I enjoy that alot. It makes it fun (for me)

I definitely see the benefits of velocity as an expressive tool, but I have been restricting it to the module I'm working on only. Maybe I can hook some CV outs from the module to shoot out control information from the "velocity" of the piano, eh? I can easily do that in Reason. I'm not limited to "automation only", its just how I prefer to control it.

Your post was food for me, jmh. I'm going to work on that.

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:41 pm

scandipandy wrote:
crazed one wrote:Hey didn't we have about 200 threads like this last year?
Its like comparing an acustic guitar to a trumpet, different sounds, different layout, ... if you play the piano, what is best then... trumpet or guitar....

... and it will all go on over and over agian... it will never end ...

why ???

its all about miss-information and lack of information between ppl.

REASAN RULEZ... no other host (READ ANY HOST ON THE MARKET) makes me more productive ... not even XT.

Sound quality!!!!, just bounce it into PT and it sounds 1000% better then any SX-made wav file.

Sorry, but...

What a bunch of total arsebiscuits. I hope i am missing the point, and that this was meant to be irony.

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:04 pm

quincy wrote: Sorry, but...

What a bunch of total arsebiscuits. I hope i am missing the point, and that this was meant to be irony.

Methinks it was tounge and cheek, q

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:10 pm

Though I am expanding my anglo slang vocabulary thanks to that post-

arsebiscuits- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

scandipandy · Post by **scandipandy** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:47 pm

donkey tugger wrote:
scandipandy wrote:
crazed one wrote:Hey didn't we have about 200 threads like this last year?
I do believe in my guitar, though I know she lies
That she might think me some untutor'd youth
Unskilful in the world's false forgeries.
Thus vainly trumpet that she thinks me young,
Although I know my years be past the piano.

But wherefore says my love that she is young?
And wherefore say not I that I am old? 10
O, love's best habit is a soothing tongue,
And age, in love, loves not to have years told.

Did not the heavenly rhetoric of thine eye,
'Gainst whom the world could not hold argument, 30
Persuade my heart to this false perjury?'

Sweet DT, sitting by a brook
With young Adonis, lovely, fresh, and green,
Did court the lad with many a lovely look,
Such looks as none could look but beauty's queen.

Really? How fascinating.

Yes...

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:53 pm

Touche!

scandipandy · Post by **scandipandy** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:55 pm

donkey tugger wrote: Touche!

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:17 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
TonyVanDam wrote: By the way Bones, did you know that Audition is still the only audio editing software that can stand up to the the Pro Tools standard?
What is that "ProTools standard"?
Does it save or open PT files?
In any other case, you're just spreading more BS, Tony, just as usual I was about to say.

I mean, hello, did you REALLY compare Audition to Sonar, Logic and Cubase?
You must be even more clueless than I thought until now...

What I was applying is that most things that you can do in Pro-Tools, you can do and/or get by in Audition. No more, no less.

I'm an Audition user. I also used Pro-Tool a few years back on a college campus. Therefore, I know EXACTLY what the hell I'm talk about.

As far as you accusing me for being "clueless" or "talking BS", You don't even know anything about me on the professional or personal side of this business. Therefore, you need to watch you mouth and stay the hell out of my conversations because to me...you sound like a total jackass for thinking you know everything that is to know about what the hell that I or anyone use in their own studio.

And yes Sascha, I am talking to you!!!

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:18 am

Ladies and gentlemen...

Handbags at 10 paces

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:26 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
TonyVanDam wrote: By the way Bones, did you know that Audition is still the only audio editing software that can stand up to the the Pro Tools standard?
What is that "ProTools standard"?
Does it save or open PT files?
In any other case, you're just spreading more BS, Tony, just as usual I was about to say.

I mean, hello, did you REALLY compare Audition to Sonar, Logic and Cubase?
You must be even more clueless than I thought until now...

As I calm down for another 20 minutes

:

Yes, I can compare Audition to Sonar, Cubase, & Logic.

There is no way in hell that you or anyone for that matter, can sit down in front of your computers and tell me that "the Big Sequencing 3" has better editing power than Audition or Pro-tools.

IMHO, that opinion would be pure b***s***, rubbish, nonsense, and downright crazy.

Do not underestimate Reason...