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Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:19 am

Coming from FL Studio, it has a nice feature: "Wait for input to start playing".

When I press rec, it automatically "plays", until an action is coming.
For example, I press rec, and when I trigger a key, it start playing, recording the score.

On Ableton Live, I don't know how to do it. It start rec+playing without any waiting from the user.
So I need to trim the Editor MIDI every time (due to the blank part at the beginning).

I know there's the pre-counter on metronome, but its not the same.

Any clues?

Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:26 am

Or at least, is there a shortcut that automatically select the score from the beginning/end editing also the start/end loop selectors?

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:27 pm

This is how to do what you want:

https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/syn ... live-midi/

HTH

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:18 am

But this is for sync MIDI instruments and Live. I don't need it.
I want to "start rec" (i.e. rec+play) when I trigger a MIDI, preventing empty space in the recorded MIDI score into clips... (not only from MIDI, also from PC Keyboard for example, or when I move a knob/parameters from a Device, with mouse).

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:09 am

AFAIK Live doesn't have a "wait until I start playing before you record" function. I always use the count in ... what's your issue with that? Are you recording into clips (session view) or into the arrangement?

Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:13 am

thecontrolcentre wrote:AFAIK Live doesn't have a "wait until I start playing before you record" function. I always use the count in ... what's your issue with that? Are you recording into clips (session view) or into the arrangement?

Into clips. The issue is that I've some plugin that are sync with host. And I want that also the note I trigger are synch with host, for a linear score.

The "count" on it will never be perfect linear with grid (so notes will notes start immediatly).

The only way I know is to keep the score I record, than CTRL+A (select all), than CTRL + L (select as loop).
But wait for input would be better

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:59 pm

Nowhk wrote:But this is for sync MIDI instruments and Live. I don't need it.
I want to "start rec" (i.e. rec+play) when I trigger a MIDI, preventing empty space in the recorded MIDI score into clips... (not only from MIDI, also from PC Keyboard for example, or when I move a knob/parameters from a Device, with mouse).

If you would have taken the time to read and understand the article you would have realized that when you have the "Ext" button pressed, it is waiting for data to start Live.

Arm your track, set a clip, press "Ext", then record.

Now, when you send the MIDI note your track starts recording.

All of what you say in this quote can happen just as the article says. I do it all the time over LAN.

Read the article - maybe you will learn something.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

EDIT: You will still have a delay of the start of recording due to the latency of your system. No matter what I have always had to move the data in the clip to the start position I want/need.

If you have your system properly timed this delay is minimal and may not be noticeable.

HTH

Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:23 pm

I did it mate, but it does not works!
I see EXT button.

I arm my track, I press Ext, than I press the red circle on a clip in the track stack where I want to rec the score.
But nothing happens, neither if I trigger keys from my controller.

At the moment I'm triggering note with Korg padKONTROL (PORT A):

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I think it's a problem with MIDI Clock, because near the EXT button, the first led never blink...

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:01 pm

Thanks for posting the image. Your settings appear to be correct, but I cannot tell, remotely, if you have the track set up correctly.

Live's MIDI clock is not the problem.

I can say that IF everything is set up properly, it DOES work. So, if it is not working for you then either you have missed a step, or your devices are not working, or some other reason.

Did you set up your track to "Receive" FROM the device? And the proper channel? Is your device sending - is it set up to send over the correct channel/port/etc.?

Before pressing that red circle and before pressing "EXT", first create an empty clip in a slot - keep the focus on this clip. Then press "EXT", then press "New" next to that red circle. (I think these are the steps but I am not at my workstation to be able to prove my advice - I'm reciting from memory and I am old, very old, and cannot remember things well anymore

.)

It should cause the play button on the clip to start blinking. Then you will know you are ready to start recording.

Also, be sure the clip you create will be long enough for the recording. Other wise the default value will take over and you will just record over something already recorded. The first of the recording will be lost then.

Again, this is all relevant to your settings which I do not know. In all the years I have used Live, I have never been able to get that red circle to work in collaboration with "EXT". But then I really haven't tried too hard as my methods work just fine - for me

If the MIDI indicator is not flashing then you have something either incorrectly set up or you have missed a step. If your devices are properly communicating you should see the MIDI indicator flashing.

Setup is a real PITA and if just one thing is not to Live's liking, the whole thing will not work. Believe me! I know this for a fact

I can tell you are frustrated. This shuts down the thinking process.

My advice for now, is walk away from it. Come back to it when you have a fresh mind and not frustrated.

Then go through each and every step, one at a time, and ABSOLUTELY confirm you have it correct and proper. Refer to that article for how to set it up. Slow yourself down (this is one of the hardest things to do but the one major cause of error.)

It's something simple, every time!

Let us know how you get on or if you have more questions. Ok?

HTH

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:12 pm

I think the main problem is this: for red cicle, I mean "filled" red cycle (not the one near the NEW button on the tranport bar).

If I click on that filled red cycle with EXT disabled, it starts the clip making a "red background", and starting recordings.
If I click on that filled red cycle with EXT enabled, nothing happens :O It automatically stop itself, without creating any clips, and without play/rec anything. Just as useless action.

MIDI indicator works (the one at the top right), and I can trigger sounds with padKONTROL without problems (I heard sounds).
Is just MIDI Ext that doesnt show any yellow input/output when I trigger a key (the one at top left).

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:29 pm

That "filled" red circle is a "Record" button, but not the one you want to use in this case.

The MIDI indicators next to the "EXT" button flash red in my case. Maybe they're just not showing clearly for you. They are quite tiny.

Did you do as I stated with the "New" button?

Again, create a clip (double click in a slot). Then press "New". If your track is armed (and "EXT" is on - glowing yellow) the clip start arrow will flash awaiting data input. Then when you press your MIDI device pad, and IF everything is set up correctly, your key press will start the recording.

At this point, based on your last statement, it sounds to me like you have not read the manual, or are not fully understanding what the manual is telling you.

Here's an excerpt on recording in Live (manual page 16):
https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/recording-new-clips/

You really should take the time to read the manual. A lot of your problems with Live will go away

It is well thought out, very versatile and quite useful. Generally the problems someone is having is due to their own negligence or misunderstanding.

This is not to say Live does not have problems, it does. But most of the issue I read about here are because one did not take the time to investigate that valuable resource - the manual

HTH

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Nowhk · Post by **Nowhk** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:22 pm

Sorry for the big delay. I've find time right now to test the new suggestions. So...

dsan@mail.com wrote:The MIDI indicators next to the "EXT" button flash red in my case. Maybe they're just not showing clearly for you. They are quite tiny.

No, it does show nothing the MIDI indicators next to EXT in my Live. I can see the ones at the top/right (which flash yellow), but not the ones next to EXT

dsan@mail.com wrote:Again, create a clip (double click in a slot). Then press "New". If your track is armed (and "EXT" is on - glowing yellow) the clip start arrow will flash awaiting data input. Then when you press your MIDI device pad, and IF everything is set up correctly, your key press will start the recording.

This not happens. Here you can see (that track is armed):

http://www.fastswf.com/Kn6XyYc
I've read the manual about recordings, but still I can't does this process

fackelm2 · Post by **fackelm2** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:13 am

this post is older - but i had the same problem and the solution for me is in the settings:

Ableton - > Einstellungen
Optionen -> Voreinstellungen -> Record Warp Launch -> Wiedergabe bei Aufnahme starten : AUS

in english
Ableton -> Preferences -> Record Warp Launch -> Start Playback with Record : OFF

Ableton Live 9 - Wait for input to start playing