Musical shortcuts - How far do you go without guilty conscience?

[stonestreet]

Yes, Awesome. I do not smoke tabacco so I am a bucket and pipe man. Having a bucket hit of salvia you certainly don't have any waiting for your baggage and custons clearance. The first time I had not done any research. As soon as I exhaled my legs disappeared and decked me.

My experience masticating the leaves in the mouth produces the same effects strong for about and hour however I am not ripped out of my current state, I have time to aclimatize. Some of the best times of my life.

I too would like to experience dmt/ayuhuasca. I have had gremlins at times in my salvia excursions, not sure if it is the same as the dmt elves. I have difficulty with them because they all move and speak at once and of course I am transparent to them. They don't hold back.

Slightly harking back to my contribution to the thread I have mostly gone on solo journies as sometimes having others around can be a distraction but on the rare occaision I have been with the right person/s at the right location the social aspect has been really special and lasting to me.

Have fun

salvia is mental
i melted in to a table and climbed a ziggurat in the jungle, it all took a lifetime in 15 seconds!!! awesome!

mushrooms, my most memorable was fly agaric, that was like opening doorways/lifting a veil. seeing unseen entities interacting with our world, never got that from psilocybin, that was always more just everything becoming part of the trip. very different experiences.

im still in search of ayuhuasca in the uk, proving difficult. but nothing is impossible!
the dmt clockwork elves taught me that!

[Russell Grand]

If another, or maybe even a third person is using your same setup or same arpeggiators or same randomizers or presets or whatever and you three publish the same music phrases or whatever then maybe you won't accuse each other of plagiarism because you are all blatant plagiarists? Hahaha.

But if what you have in the end doesn't sound anything like what you allegedly stole from then... steal away?.

For example, if Jimmy Page stole the intro to Stairway To Heaven from the not-even-a-song Taurus tune then I say "Jimmy Page, you built the entire song from just that? Wow!!!"
Credit also goes to Robert Plant for his Lyrics and melodies. And the rest of the band, of course.

I'm not hearing the similarity anyway so maybe Jimmy Page never did steal anything from the band Spirit. Or or or my ears are just bad.

Taurus, by the band Spirit.


Stairway To Heaven by the band Led Zeppelin.

a.) "not-even-a-song"? Huh? It most certainly is a song. Why would you say that it isn't? Instrumentals are songs...

b.) You don't hear the similarities? Wow, I think you might need to listen again. There are similarities. Striking similarities in fact; I heard them upon listening just once. Page definitely stole from the Taurus track, or at the very least borrowed.

[IncarnateX]

This just reminds me: I actually had a rather excentric afro american percussion teacher who without even blinking would say that white people stoled all their music from the black and even twisted it into 4/4 when everything orginally was made in 6 or 12. And that is why white people have no rhythm: not only did we steal it, we screwed it by default.
That will make me a thief by birth, culture and color, so what does a little arp theme, some auto-variations and a few samples matter anyway? Nothing to whine about in comparison.

[jancivil]

The passage in question begins at 0:44 in the youtube.

I'm not hearing the similarity anyway so maybe Jimmy Page never did steal anything...
or my ears are just bad.

We're going to have to go with #2 here.


The two bands were sharing a stage on tour, with Spirit doing that number shortly before Page "wrote" that bit...
Thanks for providing the worst possible kind of proof of your concept But if what you have in the end doesn't sound anything like what you allegedly stole from then..., really swell.

[jancivil]

There is a single difference in the passage in question: when the minor chord goes to minor/major 7, 7 in the bass Page's version has a top line going to the 9th of the chord. Then as the bass part descends another semitone, the top line proceeds another semitone, making III, fifth in the bass. Then the top line provides the 3rd of the chord as the bottom line continues semitone down to form the IV, 3rd in the bass. Then following the IV^7, Page actually wrote VII i / i which isn't in Taurus. Before that, Page's additions are all chord tones from the original except to make A/G#bass* add 9. (*: aka E (or C, or G#) augmented)

In itself, without the historical information, it's kind of a grey area in my book, because it's a very common move. All of the bit in question. But given that Page heard it all the time, a guilty verdict is at least consistent with another well-known verdict, She's So Fine "unconsciously" turning into My Sweet Lord.

[D-Fusion]

It depends.
I don't see anything wrong in using presets or custom arps if it has the sound or the rythm you are looking for.
Why recreate it if you already have it in the first place premade for you?

You might make something similar to what others have made too even if you build things from scratch so i would'nt worry to much about it.

Enjoy making music and try not to think to hard about these little things