Youlean Loudness Meter 2 - V2.5.10 - November 10, 2024 update

[Youlean]

Would it be possible to increase the TP level threshold above 0dB?

Unfortunately not. Why would you want to do that?

[Youlean]

Any chance to get a link to a folder to previous versions, for those people that might have issues with most recent packages and want to roll back?

The download page will have all major previous version available at the bottom. (Including latest V1)

[Hermetech Mastering]

[snip...]

This is an exellent example of "YMMV" - for me, no problems and well worth the money for the pro version. I pretty much knew what the expect and it pretty much net my expectations. I've used it on about 5 projects so far and have a good workflow designed around it.

Agreed. Tried the free version, loved it, bought the paid version as soon as it came out, and bar one small niggle (inability to change text size, which the dev has promised to address in an update) am extremely happy with it. I've been using Sonoris meter as my only meter for over a decade, I've tried loads of others but nothing has come close, until now. Youlean deserves praise, not scorn.

Yet another example of Compyfox's severely over-agitated, presumptuous, condescending and very hubristic manner. The dude needs to take a chill pill, or make his own meter, instead of spending hours a day on KVR whining at devs, IMO... But it's a long term pattern so I suppose we all just have to get used to it, or put him on ignore.

[Youlean]

Are you <quack>ing serious?!
Let me summarize:

Thanks for the suggestions. I understand why you are feeling like this. I agree that there might be better way to test the PRO version, however, I did choose to implement it as it is, and that will be it for now. I will definitely try to improve that in the future.

I did not understand what you meant regarding the ITU-R BS.1770-x.

EBU S1 indeed seems missing. I might forgot to implement it for the new version. I will add it in an update.

Saving presets will be interesting, however, in this case every preset is unique and some presets work very differently internally, so I am not sure how to approach that.

As for price will go up thing, plugin comes with lifetime free updates and I can't rely on existing customers for the financial support, so in the future if I release a major update, price might go higher to cover the costs. This is just a business decision.

BTW, it would be much easier that upgrades are paid. Then I would only need to upsell to existing customers. However, I really hate that.

[plexuss]

Would it be possible to increase the TP level threshold above 0dB?

Unfortunately not. Why would you want to do that?

ISPs. Im tellin ya...

[Youlean]

[snip...]

This is an exellent example of "YMMV" - for me, no problems and well worth the money for the pro version. I pretty much knew what the expect and it pretty much net my expectations. I've used it on about 5 projects so far and have a good workflow designed around it.

Agreed. Tried the free version, loved it, bought the paid version as soon as it came out, and bar one small niggle (inability to change text size, which the dev has promised to address in an update) am extremely happy with it. I've been using Sonoris meter as my only meter for over a decade, I've tried loads of others but nothing has come close, until now. Youlean deserves praise, not scorn.

Yet another example of Compyfox's severely over-agitated, presumptuous, condescending and very hubristic manner. The dude needs to take a chill pill, or make his own meter, instead of spending hours a day on KVR whining at devs, IMO... But it's a long term pattern so I suppose we all just have to get used to it, or put him on ignore.

Thanks!
Text resizing will be definitely implement. BTW, what text would you like to change it's size? All text? What would be most important?

Compyfox might may have non standard approach, but so far he gave me valid suggestions. I appreciate every feedback!

[Youlean]

Would it be possible to increase the TP level threshold above 0dB?

Unfortunately not. Why would you want to do that?

ISPs. Im tellin ya...

Sorry, do not understand...

[mutantdog]

For one possible need, there may be occasions when I'm mastering for maximum loudness with significant clipping. In these cases TP levels can frequently reach up to +1dB and higher. Being able to move the TP threshold up into the positive range would give an easy way to identify the most excessive peaks.

[Youlean]

For one possible need, there may be occasions when I'm mastering for maximum loudness with significant clipping. In these cases TP levels can frequently reach up to +1dB and higher. Being able to move the TP threshold up into the positive range would give an easy way to identify the most excessive peaks.

Indeed. I might increase the TP range. How high should it go?

[mutantdog]

I reckon +3dB would be plenty.

[Hermetech Mastering]

Text resizing will be definitely implement. BTW, what text would you like to change it's size? All text? What would be most important?

Thanks, I want to be able to use it at the 50% size, with the histogram and distribution switched off, for a nice tall thin meter. When I do this currently on my 1920 x 1080 display, nearly all the labelling text is completely unreadable. It doesn't become readable until the 75% size is chosen, but then the meter is too wide for my needs. So freely assignable text resizing would be great. There is LOADS of space left on the GUI to implement this.

Here is what it looks like currently, not good:

http://hermetechmastering.com/Meter.png

[Compyfox]

I knew the moment I posted, that there will be plenty of defense from the "I'm happy with the release, I don't get you" camp.

I'm terribly sorry, but I'm just not into drinking the cool aid with "this thing is excellent and affordable". The free version is (for the most part) out of the question, although it could still see some logical updates (some of the stuff I even mentioned back during DC'16 days). My main issue is with the quote-on-quote "pro version" that you can't even test prior to investing any money - and locking certain logical updates/features away behind a paywall.

If you (plural) are fine with that, that's your prerogative - but before I invest any money, I'd like to be able to test the tools and all of it's features first, non-crippled, without jumping hoops. Most other metering tools, that take things seriously in this realm, offer me that.

This is an exellent example of "YMMV" - for me, no problems and well worth the money for the pro version. I pretty much knew what the expect and it pretty much net my expectations. I've used it on about 5 projects so far and have a good workflow designed around it.

So you like to support and invest in tools that you can't even properly test first, because you consider this stuff to be "a no-brainer". So you shell out money without knowing if it's even worth it, and you don't know if you can get a refund.

Keep in mind, the "free version" so far offered a lot of features already that we could (quote-on-quote) test to our hearts content and use to our needs. The Pro version - no dice.

The selling point in this case however are the extended features like PDF log (although I really hope not on a black background - I feel sorry for printing costs), Dynamic Range (PLR) metering, advanced features like setting up warning mode, custom target levels and (in the future hopefully) custom color codes as well. And most importantly - streaming presets - which is a clear declaration of attack towards the competition (most notably, Nugen Audio - the forerunners in this field).

Stuff that you can not test in the current form unless you shell out money. And the streaming presets alone are important for me to know if they adhere to currently known values/future standards.


You know - this all wouldn't be a problem if the page or the manual wouldn't be so scarce with information. But did you even bother to take a closer look at that? My guess is, sadly no. Because "the developer did good so far, instant purchase". All the more power to you then.

Agreed. Tried the free version, loved it, bought the paid version as soon as it came out, and bar one small niggle (inability to change text size, which the dev has promised to address in an update) am extremely happy with it. I've been using Sonoris meter as my only meter for over a decade, I've tried loads of others but nothing has come close, until now. Youlean deserves praise, not scorn.

The free version is (mostly) out of the question aside from the fact that it's basically blaring into your face "yo, there is a pro version existing - invest money!".

Julijan Nikolic (the developer) deserves praise for attempting such a task (and he got that plenty so far since 2016, if we can ignore the long radio silence about the NAMM coverage), but also a lot of criticism on which route he's going currently. As I mentioned before, he's not one of the big-leagues in the metering game - not yet.

Yet another example of Compyfox's severely over-agitated, presumptuous, condescending and very hubristic manner. The dude needs to take a chill pill, or make his own meter, instead of spending hours a day on KVR whining at devs, IMO... But it's a long term pattern so I suppose we all just have to get used to it, or put him on ignore.

I kind of expected different from you. Honestly... you even use the name "Hermetech Mastering" as your alias and we had plenty of interesting discussions on this forum as well. So I thought you look closer under the hood of the tools you're using. But I think these times are actually over. Which is sad.

You should know at this point how I handle the topic metering tools, and why I call out developers. But once more, it's "presumptuous" and I should rather be put in ignore. I'm not the least surprised - I dared to criticize a respected developer after all.

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you for not getting into drinking the cool aid. But this is exactly the reason why we should be more critical about developers rather than seeing "ooh, this is cool - instant purchase". Especially you, as Mastering Engineer.

I reckon +3dB would be plenty.

ISP incidents can happen of up to +9dB (if not more). Especially if you're pushing beyond -8dB RMS avg.





Now on to Julijan's post

Thanks for the suggestions. I understand why you are feeling like this. I agree that there might be better way to test the PRO version, however, I did choose to implement it as it is, and that will be it for now. I will definitely try to improve that in the future.

Sorry to say this, but then you need to fix a lot of stuff ASAP and extend the sale.

As it is right now, we possible interested parties had 7 days to check out v2.x - but all we could do was check out the (quote-on-quote) free version with the huge tag "want to test the Pro features, purchase".

There are a lot of problems involved with this however.

• You had the shop issue
• You never mentioned if VAT is included or not (this had to be pointed out)
• Your Manual is very scarce on information
• Your page has no FAQ
• You don't have/mention a refund policy, in fact your page doesn't even have a legal imprint
• There is no demo version
• we don't even know the Copy Protection scheme (but I assume, it's addressing custom EXE files with the Pro features unlocked, I didn't see the possibility to insert serial numbers)
• according to some, your main focus is Facebook, and not the community that brought out up in the first place, and "technical support" is locked behind a paywall

These are all red flags for a new developer in this field. And you should know at this point how hard-fought this market is.


You're pressed for time to invest into something, that you can't properly test and are at risk of not getting your investment back should things not work out as expected.

I've had this issue so many developers before because of this. You are trying to play in the league of providers high-end metering tools. Yet everything feels rushed due to reasons unknown. This is a major turnoff (for me at least) and massive red flags.

I did not understand what you meant regarding the ITU-R BS.1770-x.

The ITU-R BS.1770-x white papers do not(!) mention anything about -24LUFS (or LUKS) being the defacto standard. They mention it as recommendation. Same goes for the dBTP ceiling. Then again, I didn't check the more recent white papers.

Definite known values are from the EBU (-23LUSF +-1LU and -1dBTP unless they changed that recently again), the French Broadcast association (-24LUFS +-2LU ILk and -2dBTP) and Asia (also -24LUFS/-2dBTP). Not to mention that Asia are currently the forerunners in testing MPEG-H and therefore streams higher 5.1

Do you know understand why I'm so nit-picky with wanting to know how accurate your tool is and how flawless it's working?

EBU S1 indeed seems missing. I might forgot to implement it for the new version. I will add it in an update.

I don't understand why it was forgotten in the first place, if it was so prominent in the last version.

Saving presets will be interesting, however, in this case every preset is unique and some presets work very differently internally, so I am not sure how to approach that.

Having the ability to have access to custom setups for own stream mastering needs should be absolutely mandatory to have. Same goes for an ability to manually changing the ever-changing Streaming preset (which I can't test - because Pro Version!).

As for price will go up thing, plugin comes with lifetime free updates and I can't rely on existing customers for the financial support, so in the future if I release a major update, price might go higher to cover the costs. This is just a business decision.

BTW, it would be much easier that upgrades are paid. Then I would only need to upsell to existing customers. However, I really hate that.

I'm highly against nipping users of their hard earned money every half year for a "major update". The lifetime offering is indeed great - if pulled off well. You've got a lot to learn still in this area. And announcing right from the start "prices will go up way higher" and now saying "it's a business decision" is only hurting you, as this shows "oh, you're only valuable to me if you invest money" while leaving those in the dust that helped you get a foot into the door in the plugin realm.



You've got a lot to fix, and fast. As of the moment of my post (I'm about to head out), I still have about 30 hours left to in order to invest in your tool. The clock is ticking. But my criticism (no refund policy known, wonky prices, "Pro" versions to test locked behind a paywall) remain.

I stand my ground though - this is not a strategy I support. And I am fully aware already that I will burn with more money for this in the future once I decide to invest in your tool at a later state.




Other than that, the free version is a good start. With some minor issues that'd still love to see addressed. Like:

• inserting numeric values or having drop-downs instead of "dragging values"
• The "target value" should not be "Pro" feature (come on, it's a visual indicator - you offer a "meter split" point, yet a visual reference point is a "Pro" feature??
• then preset creation (even in the free version)
• an updated manual talking about specs (streaming presets, how accurate your tool is in 0,1LU steps), etc.

There is still room for more.

[Reefius]

Sigh... Pretends to be a professional, but runs a 'studio' full of cheap Behringer gear and keeps on moaning about the price of a $27 plugin. Pathetic...

[plexuss]

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*backs away slowly*

[clintmartin]

It's a great meter for a very good price.