KVR Audio

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:33 am

Wow tony lol!

My goodness you have absolutely no clue at all, and it's so funny... just the way you say it.

Audition's editing capabilities are nothing special.. and protools doesnt even come close to nuendo/saw/samplitude/logic or heck even n-track.

And sorry but I didnt "use pt on a college campus a while back"... I owned a f**king HD rig.... for a very limited time... it SUCKED. thank goodness for returns.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:37 am

quincy wrote:Ladies and gentlemen...

Handbags at 10 paces

Stop it quincy!!! It's time to let it go.

Long story short, Reason is good, but it not that great for some of us.

Within the last 10+ pages of this thread, I see and hear more comments about Orion, FL Studio, Project5, Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Pro-Tools, & Audition then anything else good/bad about Reason.

It goes to show us all that Reason is more for the "mainstream" than the "undergound" (KVR, bedroom studio, etc.).

We just need to let this silly "software war" go and just get back to making hot tracks.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:40 am

So after 11 pages of this, only I thing I missed was what exactly does Reason have to do with open standard audio plugins?

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:48 am

TonyVanDam wrote:
quincy wrote:Ladies and gentlemen...

Handbags at 10 paces
Stop it quincy!!! It's time to let it go.

Long story short, Reason is good, but it not that great for some of us.

Within the last 10+ pages of this thread, I see and hear more comments about Orion, FL Studio, Project5, Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Pro-Tools, & Audition then anything else good/bad about Reason.

It goes to show us all that Reason is more for the "mainstream" than the "undergound" (KVR, bedroom studio, etc.).

We just need to let this silly "software war" go and just get back to making hot tracks.

Testify!

Damn straight, who gives a monkeys ringpiece what software people use. These days 90% of the hosts cover 90% of the same ground one way or another anyway.

Quite why there is a need to be seen as using a "better" host than anyone else is beyond me. Are folks using software as dick extensions instead of cars these days?!

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:01 am

Robert Randolph wrote:Wow tony lol!

My goodness you have absolutely no clue at all, and it's so funny... just the way you say it.

Audition's editing capabilities are nothing special.. and protools doesnt even come close to nuendo/saw/samplitude/logic or heck even n-track.

And sorry but I didnt "use pt on a college campus a while back"... I owned a f**king HD rig.... for a very limited time... it SUCKED. thank goodness for returns.

If you got gear problems, I feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems and a b**** ain't one

I'm sorry Robert, but I was in a good mood to throw a little hip-hop cheap shot!!!

Just joking.

Now let get serious again:

Have you ever try Audition v1.5?

Because of this audio recording/editing program, I don't need to buy Pro-Tools right now. I can get a lot of final mixes down with this baby. Everything that I'm been able to do with earlier Pro-Tools rigs, I can do it with Audition.

But of the moment, I want to ask you an honest question about your PT experience. You said PT sucks to you. What are some of the downsides of PT HD rig that I need to take notice of? And why do you think "the mainstream" still identify PT as the standard (despite other options like Audition, Nuendo, etc.)

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:04 am

shamann wrote:So after 11 pages of this, only I thing I missed was what exactly does Reason have to do with open standard audio plugins?

It was never an open standard. Reason was design to be a self-contained product form day one.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:10 am

TonyVanDam wrote:
shamann wrote:So after 11 pages of this, only I thing I missed was what exactly does Reason have to do with open standard audio plugins?
It was never an open standard. Reason was design to be a self-contained product form day one.

Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

Perhaps my screen is broken.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:14 am

headquest wrote:
Sascha Franck wrote: I never meant to knock it - but that PT comparison was just as lame as things could get.
IF there is some PT standard, it's based on files that you transfer from studio to studio (so it's up to the file format) or based on the existance of some rather expensive plugins.
Agreed!

Logic, Cubase and Sonar are basically MIDI sequencers.
They're not aiming at audio editing in the first place at all - so any comparison between those and Audition (or maybe PT, or Wavelab, or whatever your taste is after) is just clueless.
Yes, I think TonyVanDam was missing it!

Regarding the ProTools comparrison I can see that many Windows-based musicians, engineers, etc use it for mixing and mastering rather as Mac-based studios use PT, but there any similarity ends! (an btw I don't think that WaveLab or SoundForge are used in this way - they are more exclusively for destructive audio editing.)

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BTW headquest, if "the big 3 MIDI sequenceing softwares" are going to continue to include audio recording, then you can compare them to Pro-Tools & Audition.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:17 am

shamann wrote:
TonyVanDam wrote:
shamann wrote:So after 11 pages of this, only I thing I missed was what exactly does Reason have to do with open standard audio plugins?
It was never an open standard. Reason was design to be a self-contained product form day one.
Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

Perhaps my screen is broken.

If we can't use DX/VSTi in the format, then Reason was never worth discussing in the first place.

Now Orion, FLS, & Project5 on the other hand....

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:46 am

TonyVanDam wrote: There is no way in hell that you or anyone for that matter, can sit down in front of your computers and tell me that "the Big Sequencing 3" has better editing power than Audition or Pro-tools.

When did I say so?
All I said was that the comparison was clueless - which it is.
You're comparing sequencers with audio editors. What a nonsense.
Yes, some of those sequencers have more or less advanced audio editing capabilities - that still doesn't make them comparable to a multitrack audio editor.
Yes, things are getting mixed up these days -sequencers improving on the audio side of things, former audio only programs (such as PT, Samplitude, Acid, Live) improving on the MIDI side of things.
Still, comparing Audition to any of those is nonsense as it's just too much different - it's an audio editor, no sequencer at all.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:22 am

Sascha Franck wrote: [Still, comparing Audition to any of those is nonsense as it's just too much different - it's an audio editor, no sequencer at all.

But ... Audition does handle 128 tracks, host VST and DX plugins, and is a ReWire host.

So any Reason users reading this thread may well find that Audition is the perfect partner application, giving you audio recording and editing, better mixing and effects than Reason offers, and professional mastering.

Regarding the "big 3 sequencers" - and in response to Robert R's misinformed post above - they don't offer audio editing facilities such as Clip Restoration, Frequency Space Editing, Spectrum analysis, Click/Pop removal, etc. etc...

If you think that any of the sequencers can compare with Audition's audio handling, ask yourself why they all include the option to export to a proper audio editor? The makers of Sonar, Cubase and Logic know what you appear not to know - that Audition is better at audio editing than a sequencer is.

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:25 am

shamann wrote: Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

It doesn't say "Supporting weisenheimers..." either.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:45 am

Hay Dr.Wackler, did you switch from Logic to Live? Just curious.

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:53 am

I think as Reason is a Rewire client, then it qualifies as a discussion item in a forum such as this.

And it isn't in the host section, it's in the Instrument section which is probably appropriate as well.

Caleb

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:59 am

AD80 wrote:Hay Dr.Wackler, did you switch from Logic to Live? Just curious.

You mean because of the link in my sig? No, I didn't really switch, but I use Live more and more. The new thing since Live4 is that I even use it to arrange complete songs, while until Live3 the Arrange page served mainly as a scratchpad for things to transfer to Logic.

Logic is still my main workhorse, but I wish arranging would be the same breeze as it is in Live4. Live is the DAW of the future IMHO, and I wish it to get as much support as possible!

Do not underestimate Reason...