Rewrite or not, the fact remains that it was the continuation of a particular model and way of working. A sequel doesn't need to BE the original in order to be a sequel.
In other words, when I made my particular comments at least, I wasn't in the least bit referring to legacy code still sticking around; rather, I was referring to the years of experience and design that had already gone into the "Cubase" line in order to revise and (allegedly) refine its way of working. Whether or not the actual code was rewritten, there's still a common jumping-off point and a previous body of work upon which to draw.
Greg
goodbye to logic!!...then ..what host???
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
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- KVRist
- 444 posts since 16 Dec, 2003 from here and now
Linde my input was rather a sort of joke rather than a serious remark. But what you say seems to be in the line of what the strategy master at Steinberg would have nodded at officially in a press room.
But... still on a pleasant mood style :
- does it mean there's a rule when rewriting a code to rename the app? -> not all the times ;
- do firms have commercial strategies at all or are they just naive manufacturers innocent of any kind of marketing? -> obviously not... ;
- do you think, if there weren't any marketing aim at it, do you think that a Cubase 6 would have been a poor seller or a less good product? -> I don't think so ;
- does this matter at all, do we really care? -> I'm afraid not in th end.
When you meet a friend, if suddenly he/she says don't call me Bob/Bobbie anymore, call me Kevin/Kevina from now on will you! What will you think about it, ok buddy, no problem, Kevin sorry, and for your beer, it's still what you want to drink?
More generally, do you think your car would refuse to start if a strange government would make a law forcing dictionaries to call car "morey boggie"?
Names and words are "hardlinked" to people and things
only when you're a Republican
Oh yes, and in marketting plans it matters above all...
bullshit marketting, for what are they taking us, noodles? Milk cows?
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A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose (is a word)
lol
But... still on a pleasant mood style :
- does it mean there's a rule when rewriting a code to rename the app? -> not all the times ;
- do firms have commercial strategies at all or are they just naive manufacturers innocent of any kind of marketing? -> obviously not... ;
- do you think, if there weren't any marketing aim at it, do you think that a Cubase 6 would have been a poor seller or a less good product? -> I don't think so ;
- does this matter at all, do we really care? -> I'm afraid not in th end.
When you meet a friend, if suddenly he/she says don't call me Bob/Bobbie anymore, call me Kevin/Kevina from now on will you! What will you think about it, ok buddy, no problem, Kevin sorry, and for your beer, it's still what you want to drink?
More generally, do you think your car would refuse to start if a strange government would make a law forcing dictionaries to call car "morey boggie"?
Names and words are "hardlinked" to people and things
only when you're a Republican
Oh yes, and in marketting plans it matters above all...
bullshit marketting, for what are they taking us, noodles? Milk cows?
___________
A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose (is a word)
lol
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
I was worrying about this very thing for quite some time. Now I'm not anymore. At least not yet.
So far, for me there's no need to switch sequencers.
I allready own SX as well, waiting for SX 3 to arrive more or less any day, and maybe I will finally start using it sometimes. SX 2 is more or less gathering dust because IMO it's a workflow breaker (fwiw, I am pretty much familiar with Cubase, so it's not exactly that...) and a rather unelegant program. But as usual, your mileage may vary on this.
I should also finally try out Tracktion, but having no audio cycle recording is spoiling it for me so far, this is a must for me.
Anyways, apart from a few things (no PDC on busses and aux objects, incompatibility issues with certain plugins, no offline bouncing), Logic 5.5.1 is just doing about anything I'll ever need. So, I could as well just stay with it until the end of times.
But then, due to my job (being someone teaching things in the music university's media lab and maintaining it), I need to have access to at least one or two up to date sequencers.
Having said that, at once as the Mac version of Logic is really getting ahead of the last Windows version (so far this is not exactly the case, the Apple deal hasn't paid of yet, audio performance is even quite a lot worse than under Windows), I'll have to buy a Mac as well (which isn't exactly making me happy, believe me...).
Parallely I'll have to get used to SX and *something* else under Windows (probably Tracktion, but perhaps we'll buy Samplitude for the uni too).
However, as said above, I can't see much of a serious reason to switch sequencers right now, especially in case you're that familiar with something allready. I don't think there's missing too much in Logic (yet). Sure, SX, Sonar and Samplitude are coming up with great features (maybe Tracktion as well, as soon as they get the MIDI editing sorted), such as those "liquid/warp audio" things - but then, for what I do I don't exactly need them (ah well, Samplitude 8's Melodyne-alike thingie sure looks tempting...).
Some words about the "Logic sounds better than others" thing:
Plain nonsense, at least as a "per se" statement.
I've done quite some tests, and they all sound "neutral".
You can do the tests by yourself, just load a few wavefiles (which should be *quite* a lot below 0dB, so you don't have to alter any audio mixer fader), mix them down and compare the results (reimporting them into any sequencer and inverting every other one).
Over here, all the files sounded the same - so the internal summing of both Logic and Cubase is "neutral".
The picture is getting different as soon as you start to alter any levels and pannings. Faders might have a diferent scaling (I don't know much about this) and they defenitely have different panning laws - all of which could be compensated by different settings (in SX) or different channel treatments.
Of course it's obvious that as soon as plugins come into the game, things won't be comparable anymore. Yes, I would agree that Cubase's plugins sound shitty, compared to the Logic equivalents - but that's totally beyond the point. In case you're using the same third party plugins, the results will sound the same again.
And some last words about Kontakt loading EXS patches: Yes, it does load the mappings fine, but everything else (even some basic amp EG settings) is ignored - pretty sad once you used some advanced filter and modulation settings (which is what I have done a lot, for instance on the Hollowsun patches).
So far, for me there's no need to switch sequencers.
I allready own SX as well, waiting for SX 3 to arrive more or less any day, and maybe I will finally start using it sometimes. SX 2 is more or less gathering dust because IMO it's a workflow breaker (fwiw, I am pretty much familiar with Cubase, so it's not exactly that...) and a rather unelegant program. But as usual, your mileage may vary on this.
I should also finally try out Tracktion, but having no audio cycle recording is spoiling it for me so far, this is a must for me.
Anyways, apart from a few things (no PDC on busses and aux objects, incompatibility issues with certain plugins, no offline bouncing), Logic 5.5.1 is just doing about anything I'll ever need. So, I could as well just stay with it until the end of times.
But then, due to my job (being someone teaching things in the music university's media lab and maintaining it), I need to have access to at least one or two up to date sequencers.
Having said that, at once as the Mac version of Logic is really getting ahead of the last Windows version (so far this is not exactly the case, the Apple deal hasn't paid of yet, audio performance is even quite a lot worse than under Windows), I'll have to buy a Mac as well (which isn't exactly making me happy, believe me...).
Parallely I'll have to get used to SX and *something* else under Windows (probably Tracktion, but perhaps we'll buy Samplitude for the uni too).
However, as said above, I can't see much of a serious reason to switch sequencers right now, especially in case you're that familiar with something allready. I don't think there's missing too much in Logic (yet). Sure, SX, Sonar and Samplitude are coming up with great features (maybe Tracktion as well, as soon as they get the MIDI editing sorted), such as those "liquid/warp audio" things - but then, for what I do I don't exactly need them (ah well, Samplitude 8's Melodyne-alike thingie sure looks tempting...).
Some words about the "Logic sounds better than others" thing:
Plain nonsense, at least as a "per se" statement.
I've done quite some tests, and they all sound "neutral".
You can do the tests by yourself, just load a few wavefiles (which should be *quite* a lot below 0dB, so you don't have to alter any audio mixer fader), mix them down and compare the results (reimporting them into any sequencer and inverting every other one).
Over here, all the files sounded the same - so the internal summing of both Logic and Cubase is "neutral".
The picture is getting different as soon as you start to alter any levels and pannings. Faders might have a diferent scaling (I don't know much about this) and they defenitely have different panning laws - all of which could be compensated by different settings (in SX) or different channel treatments.
Of course it's obvious that as soon as plugins come into the game, things won't be comparable anymore. Yes, I would agree that Cubase's plugins sound shitty, compared to the Logic equivalents - but that's totally beyond the point. In case you're using the same third party plugins, the results will sound the same again.
And some last words about Kontakt loading EXS patches: Yes, it does load the mappings fine, but everything else (even some basic amp EG settings) is ignored - pretty sad once you used some advanced filter and modulation settings (which is what I have done a lot, for instance on the Hollowsun patches).
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
It's not a total show-stopper for me, but I understand completely. If I could have ONE feature added to Tracktion overnight, this would be it. It's important for most musicians, but particularly for guitarists like us.Sascha Franck wrote:I should also finally try out Tracktion, but having no audio cycle recording is spoiling it for me so far, this is a must for me.
Greg
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 28 Aug, 2002
I read all the message carefully, SO I donot know why nobody switch to MAC platform and make a test again on Logic Pro?
I feel Logic has made a great progress since came to Apple even the price is so low now.
compare to Cubase 3 now I still feel the Logic Pro 6.4 is still the best..
And it said that Logic 7 will come out , I think it should be much greater ....
I feel Logic has made a great progress since came to Apple even the price is so low now.
compare to Cubase 3 now I still feel the Logic Pro 6.4 is still the best..
And it said that Logic 7 will come out , I think it should be much greater ....
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
I don't think Logic has made great progress yet.aduan wrote: I feel Logic has made a great progress since came to Apple even the price is so low now.
Some things are even worse than ever before (it's reacting VERY sluggish in terms of graphic redraws and audio performance is less than poor).
Sure, the price is low when you allready have a Mac... in case you don't, I'd consider it being rather expensive.
Switching to Cubase would cost a few hundred dollars/Euros while switching to a Mac would cost a few thousand dollars/Euros.
And well, let's see about Logic 7...
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 2696 posts since 3 Aug, 2003 from Narnia
If I could actually buy a Mac (at a reasonable price) and all the neccesary hardware (audio/midi, extra HD, etc) where I live, then I most definitely would..!aduan wrote:I read all the message carefully, SO I donot know why nobody switch to MAC platform and make a test again on Logic Pro?..
Maybe one day - if I ever move back to the UK.
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- KVRian
- 974 posts since 10 May, 2003
Just wanted to add that Tracktion rules.
Have a good day y'all!
Have a good day y'all!
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- Banned
- 1149 posts since 7 Mar, 2004
aduan wrote:I read all the message carefully, SO I donot know why nobody switch to MAC platform and make a test again on Logic Pro?
I feel Logic has made a great progress since came to Apple even the price is so low now.
compare to Cubase 3 now I still feel the Logic Pro 6.4 is still the best..
And it said that Logic 7 will come out , I think it should be much greater ....
I also feel the stupidity lurking out of your hears
Mr. Tracktion you have babbled the hype i can read at trackion site What else have theyr developers actually developed??
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Er...
JUCE
Besides that, volume of production does not equal quality of production. If you can make one thing and make it very well, you're one up on most others.
Greg
JUCE
Besides that, volume of production does not equal quality of production. If you can make one thing and make it very well, you're one up on most others.
Greg
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328 - KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
Also Soundbasket.Lunch Money wrote:Er...
JUCE
Besides that, volume of production does not equal quality of production. If you can make one thing and make it very well, you're one up on most others.
Greg
And btw, JUCE is awesome.
Expect to see some neat things done with it soon (by yours truly)-
- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I never knew about Soundbasket, and now it's not on the site. Guess I'll never know.
Edit: way to go, waybackmachine!
Neato looking product. I guess it didn't take off for Raw Materials? Seemed like at least one client was mighty satisfied.
Greg
Edit: way to go, waybackmachine!
Neato looking product. I guess it didn't take off for Raw Materials? Seemed like at least one client was mighty satisfied.
Greg