Do not underestimate Reason...

[Wopelka]

So after 11 pages of this, only I thing I missed was what exactly does Reason have to do with open standard audio plugins?

It was never an open standard. Reason was design to be a self-contained product form day one.

Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

Perhaps my screen is broken.

and what's your point?

on kvr we can talk about everything, as long as we are curteous.

there is even an Off Topic forum. can you believe that?

[Sascha Franck]

If you think that any of the sequencers can compare with Audition's audio handling, ask yourself why they all include the option to export to a proper audio editor? The makers of Sonar, Cubase and Logic know what you appear not to know - that Audition is better at audio editing than a sequencer is.

I NEVER said any of those could compare to Audition in terms of audio treatment (fwiw, I'm using an external audio editor as well, WaveLab in my case).
All I said was that comparing those to Audition would be clueless because any dedicated audio editor (which Audition more or less is) will obviously be doing these things better while lacking in other departments (such as no MIDI being present).
So, they are no products that actually compete but they rather complement each other. Quite a different thing, no?

And yes, even if I don't know Reason much, a multitrack audio only host with proper ReWire integration might indeed be the perfect partner for Reason (especially since Audition is priced pretty fair for what it does).
But i never doubted this at all.

[AD80]

Hay Dr.Wackler, did you switch from Logic to Live? Just curious.

You mean because of the link in my sig? No, I didn't really switch, but I use Live more and more. The new thing since Live4 is that I even use it to arrange complete songs, while until Live3 the Arrange page served mainly as a scratchpad for things to transfer to Logic.

Logic is still my main workhorse, but I wish arranging would be the same breeze as it is in Live4. Live is the DAW of the future IMHO, and I wish it to get as much support as possible!

Cool. Yeah I was wondering about your sig.

[mauseoleum]

multitrack audio only host with proper ReWire integration might indeed be the perfect partner for Reason

i said some ugly words regarding this back in samplitude6 era.

[shamann]

Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

It doesn't say "Supporting weisenheimers..." either.

Thanks for that Doc. Gave me a good laugh to start the morning.

[shamann]

there is even an Off Topic forum. can you believe that?

Indeed, an appropriate place to discuss Reason no less.

[TVD]

[Still, comparing Audition to any of those is nonsense as it's just too much different - it's an audio editor, no sequencer at all.

But ... Audition does handle 128 tracks, host VST and DX plugins, and is a ReWire host.

So any Reason users reading this thread may well find that Audition is the perfect partner application, giving you audio recording and editing, better mixing and effects than Reason offers, and professional mastering.

Regarding the "big 3 sequencers" - and in response to Robert R's misinformed post above - they don't offer audio editing facilities such as Clip Restoration, Frequency Space Editing, Spectrum analysis, Click/Pop removal, etc. etc...

If you think that any of the sequencers can compare with Audition's audio handling, ask yourself why they all include the option to export to a proper audio editor? The makers of Sonar, Cubase and Logic know what you appear not to know - that Audition is better at audio editing than a sequencer is.

See there....Headquest is right about Audition.

But Sascha is right about one thing...Audition is not a MIDI sequencer like Sonar, Logic, or Cubase.

However...Sonar, Logic, and Cubase are trying to give you audio recording/editing abilities as if they trying to co-exist with (or stand against) Audition & Pro-Tool.

You can't spin on these facts Sascha.

[TVD]

So after 11 pages of this, only I thing I missed was what exactly does Reason have to do with open standard audio plugins?

It was never an open standard. Reason was design to be a self-contained product form day one.

Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

Perhaps my screen is broken.

and what's your point?

on kvr we can talk about everything, as long as we are curteous.

there is even an Off Topic forum. can you believe that?

Corteous?....are you serious?

With these "software wars" that keeps coming up in every other thread, it's amazing that none of us started releasing "gangsta rap songs" dissing other people's softwares yet.

[munchkin]

I think Sonar handles audio very well. I can edit audio in Sonar very easily. I can create any type of audio effect I like. Soon Sonar will have 5.1 capabilities. The only reason I use an audio editor is for mastering but I can even do that in Sonar. Spectrum analysis, click, pop & hum removal - I've got plugins for those that I use in Sonar if necessary. I wouldn't buy a host based on those options anyway.

I've tried out Audition and it's great for cutting up audio, ripping CD's and non-realtime audio effects. If I want multi-tracked audio with realtime effects then I'd use Sonar.

I don't know anyone who uses Wavelab or Audition for multi-track audio projects. I know plenty of musicians who use the big 3 sequencers to do this. And more and more people are turning to hosts like Live and Tracktion. But I know of no-one who is moving in the direction of audio editors to create multi-track projects.

[Bigg John]

The whole hardware interface thing, whilst fun and flexible, just turned out to be a chore once i tried anything further than simple setups (couple of sends and a few insert FX).

Indeed, going back to something after a few weeks was always 'eh? what the f**k is going on here then?' Large projects got verrryyyyy confusing. Was never much of a fan of rewire either, too much faffing about.

do u use logic donkey ??? (i thought i had read that u did). yeah, i agree about the hassle of rewire. for a while, reason was my only sampler. 6 tracks of midi would take me a dang 1/2 hour to completely set up in logic. very muse killing

I still like reason a lot though.

[headquest]

I don't know anyone who uses Wavelab or Audition for multi-track audio projects. I know plenty of musicians who use the big 3 sequencers to do this. And more and more people are turning to hosts like Live and Tracktion. But I know of no-one who is moving in the direction of audio editors to create multi-track projects.

WaveLab doesn't basically "do" multitrack audio projects - in fact of the programmes normally advertised as "Audio Editors" Adobe Audition is the only one that has multitrack facilities - a unique selling point. So your point is only relevant so far as Audition is concerned, and not the others. (i.e. WaveLab and Sound Forge).

There are tons of professional users for this software, though possibly not in the circles in which you move?...

Firstly, Audition is the no.1 choice for audio restoration (often multitrack, of course). The click/pop removal etc are considered second to none in the industry.

Also, Audition is one of the most commonly used audio programmes in Radio broadcasting (e.g. the BBC), where again it is used for fast mixing and editing while "on the air".

And since Adobe acquired the software it has been rapidly taking on in video and soundtrack recording world.

For the record, I forgot to mention that Audition has Video thumbnail and full screen in real time, and full surround mixing capabilities.

Audition also equals ReCycle in its loop slicing features. And in terms of Time stretching and pitch shifting you can draw in loops ACID style and stretch them simply by dragging the edges.

I checked out the Sonar demo and Audition demo at the same time (fancying something new to play with!) My favourite feature in Sonar was the groove clips - which are powerful and intuitive. I found that the loop tools in Audition were actually more powerful and intuitive, and combined with the editing power of the programme I quickly became hooked...

This is not to say that I have abandoned Tracktion, Live or Reason .

But bearing in mind it costs just around £200 (from Amazon) - that is HALF the price of Sonar, and a THIRD of the price of Cubase/Logic, I think Audition counts as a real bargain - a top shelf industry standard professional product at a price that home studio users can afford (unlike WaveLab 5 - was that price tag really over £500 )

So there we have it. Not a host in the sense that a sequencer is - although for MIDI you can ReWire in Reason, Live, FL Studio, Orion, etc.
And for people using those programmes, Audition is probably the best investment out there...

[meister eder]

Strange, but when I look up at top left hand corner of the screen, it doesn't say "Supporting self-contained audio products..."

It doesn't say "Supporting weisenheimers..." either.

Thanks for that Doc. Gave me a good laugh to start the morning.

You're welcome!

[TVD]

I don't know anyone who uses Wavelab or Audition for multi-track audio projects. I know plenty of musicians who use the big 3 sequencers to do this. And more and more people are turning to hosts like Live and Tracktion. But I know of no-one who is moving in the direction of audio editors to create multi-track projects.

WaveLab doesn't basically "do" multitrack audio projects - in fact of the programmes normally advertised as "Audio Editors" Adobe Audition is the only one that has multitrack facilities - a unique selling point. So your point is only relevant so far as Audition is concerned, and not the others. (i.e. WaveLab and Sound Forge).

There are tons of professional users for this software, though possibly not in the circles in which you move?...

Firstly, Audition is the no.1 choice for audio restoration (often multitrack, of course). The click/pop removal etc are considered second to none in the industry.

Also, Audition is one of the most commonly used audio programmes in Radio broadcasting (e.g. the BBC), where again it is used for fast mixing and editing while "on the air".

And since Adobe acquired the software it has been rapidly taking on in video and soundtrack recording world.

For the record, I forgot to mention that Audition has Video thumbnail and full screen in real time, and full surround mixing capabilities.

Audition also equals ReCycle in its loop slicing features. And in terms of Time stretching and pitch shifting you can draw in loops ACID style and stretch them simply by dragging the edges.

I checked out the Sonar demo and Audition demo at the same time (fancying something new to play with!) My favourite feature in Sonar was the groove clips - which are powerful and intuitive. I found that the loop tools in Audition were actually more powerful and intuitive, and combined with the editing power of the programme I quickly became hooked...

This is not to say that I have abandoned Tracktion, Live or Reason .

But bearing in mind it costs just around £200 (from Amazon) - that is HALF the price of Sonar, and a THIRD of the price of Cubase/Logic, I think Audition counts as a real bargain - a top shelf industry standard professional product at a price that home studio users can afford (unlike WaveLab 5 - was that price tag really over £500 )

So there we have it. Not a host in the sense that a sequencer is - although for MIDI you can ReWire in Reason, Live, FL Studio, Orion, etc.
And for people using those programmes, Audition is probably the best investment out there...

Thank You for the great positive review headquest.

And damn all of you critics here in this very KVR community for trying to bash me for comparing Audition to every other software that were brought up during this 12+ pages of this very thread.

[FaX]

I personally prefer Live 4.0 as a rewire host for Reason - it has great rewire implementation.
I aslo loathe Reasons sequencer and can sequence all the modules from with Live .
I use Audition as my main audio-editor ,for noise removal ,dithering ,sample manipulation and the like quite extensively though.
And yes you could use it as a multi-track quite comfortably.
Go to the Props site they have a new demo movie up for using Reason and Auditon rewired.
It will give you a good idea as to how it all works.

[headquest]

I personally prefer Live 4.0 as a rewire host for Reason - it has great rewire implementation.

I'm just beginning to get more into Live - I bought v.2 but didn't use it that much. I think that upgrading to v.4 will be good though, and that I'll find more use for it now .

I use Audition as my main audio-editor ,for noise removal ,dithering ,sample manipulation and the like quite extensively though.
And yes you could use it as a multi-track quite comfortably.

I use it like you, too (but as an external editor from within Tracktion)

Go to the Props site they have a new demo movie up for using Reason and Auditon rewired.
It will give you a good idea as to how it all works.

Oooo Go watch!