KVR Audio

garret · Post by **garret** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:39 am

freeztar wrote:Garret, I'd like to hear a remixed version of "Accomplishing, Believing". It's one of my all time favorite KvR tunes.
I wouldn't know how to start it, but I would love to get involved with it at some point.

Since freeztar is interested, I pulled together remix material for this tune...

http://www.worksongs.net/temp/accomplishing.zip

Bass, drums, and organ tracks are midi-only. I used free soundfonts in the version on my site, so I didn't think it was worth printing the audio for those tracks...

Acoustic guitar and vocals are max-quality, mono, ogg format, 44Khz.

BPM is 115.. and I tried to export things so they'd line up easily for whoever works on this.

-Garret

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:59 am

I would like to get in on some of this, too... guitar or electric bass for hire if they're needed.

I'll leave you to the current songs, but when another song idea comes along, keep me in mind.

For the people who are thinking about doing an "original", I think it's best to have a track producer. This person has ultimate say over the arrangement, mixing, etc., though of course they are free to entertain opinions and suggestions.

I would also suggest that a drum track and a chord sequence (maybe even just simple sustained chords as a skeleton, which can be changed up later) are a good starting point.

FWIW, I use Tracktion and eXT for anyone that wants to do a collab that way, though I don't have the webspace to store a 300 MB .trarch.

Greg

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:13 am

I think a nice idea would be to just collect stuff first. For that stage it wouldn't matter whether there's a "track manager" or not - maybe even more to the opposite as anybody could just do what he/she wants.
As soon as there'd be enough stuff collected, those who are more experienced in mixing could just grab the bits they like most.
Then one should also be able to request something, such as a string arrangement or whatever.

Yes, that way one might end up with a LOT of versions for some tracks - but isn't that part of the fun?

Seriously, I find it quite a good (and challenging) idea for everybody having access to everything publically, rather than things happening behind the scenes. One could even use portions of things from one song for another one.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:27 am

It's a nice theory and will work for certain kinds of songs-- however, my experience has been that unless you're 'jamming' in a live situation, not having any sort of unifying factor results in... well, not 'crap', because the ideas and musicianship can be quite good, but simply an incomplete project, because it has no direction.

For songs that are being "redone", problem solved, because everybody has a reference point.

For strange excursions into the unknown, a free-for-all could also be great fun. I guess I'm thinking of people writing fairly structured songs if they're going to be short tracks that are part of a 'theme' CD. There HAS to be some sort of direction, and while people can share this vision in an equal way in a real-time interaction, I don't think it's easily done with sporadic contact via internet.

I'm not saying anything negative here! Or at least not trying to-- I'm simply making a suggestion for people who might want to write an original song.

Greg

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:04 am

You know Greg - I defenitely agree with you about someone taking "master control" being a good thing.
But IMO that should happen a bit later. I think collecting as much ideas as possible first would be a challenging but interesting thing.
You know, of course, I (or whomever) could just take the files Donks or Garret posted and make a remix out of them, eventually asking people to add specified stuff - but IMO it somewhat defeats the "many hands" thing.
Of course, I might give things a go and do a "personalized" version, but I'd like to keep it rough for now and only post my eventually added tracks so people had more musical snipplets and ideas to choose from.
I quite like the idea of having a LOT of material that would fit into one song.
Of course, that way it'd be tough to decide about who's going to put the final version together and mix it - but why not have more than one version/mix of each tune as well? Isn't that what this is all about?
It's not as if this "project" had a fixed delivery date...

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:07 am

i must admit, i still don't get the concept of this big collaboration. with blaster78 and clueless, we are about to make some music with a Donkey's song as starting point (hopefully the latter will be ok with that, he gave me the remix material some weeks ago).

if we have to share all the materials to allow everybody to work on anything available (am i clear?) i'll ask benny and my close collaborators, blaster78 and clueless, whether i should post here the link to download the audio parts and flp file of the beautiful "Insidious".

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:21 am

Wopelka wrote: [...]if we have to share all the materials to allow everybody to work on anything available (am i clear?)[...]

I don't think there's a "you have to" here - just as I think there's not many "rules" (if at all) either.
All I said was that I'd quite like the idea of a lot of things being shared with a lot of people.
Shouldn't be a must though - but I'd like to give everybody (even the not so wellknown/regular people) a chance of contributing. Elsewise it'd just be a bunch of the "usual" collaborations, only that they are combined in one thread.
But then, maybe that's not up to xoxos' original intention...

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:34 am

Wopelka wrote:i must admit, i still don't get the concept of this big collaboration. with blaster78 and clueless, we are about to make some music with a Donkey's song as starting point (hopefully the latter will be ok with that, he gave me the remix material some weeks ago).

if we have to share all the materials to allow everybody to work on anything available (am i clear?) i'll ask benny and my close collaborators, blaster78 and clueless, whether i should post here the link to download the audio parts and flp file of the beautiful "Insidious".

Well, I've no problem with that at all (if anyone wants to rip off my shoddy guitar playing, good luck to them

). I like Sascha's idea of keeping it quite loosely defined at the early stages, then pooling all the material later for smaller groups or possibly one person to pull it all together.

mystahr · Post by **mystahr** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:45 am

Anything goes, as long as you bear in mind that 8 to 12 people will be working on one song

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:10 pm

i'm passing 'unsafe' onto garret.. as pm'ed to dt, like most dt songs so left request open-ended, just don't like this one. not enuff sharks with lasers on their head :p but the guitar playing has sweet timing.

anyway - track's still gonig :)

garret · Post by **garret** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:15 pm

donkey tugger wrote:Well, Garret and Dave Spiers said they would have a f**k about too, so I might as well;

ogg files

and also here's a midi file of the string part;

strings midi

Yah, I'm going to jump in and work on this one a bit.. but I'm slow, and it might take a couple of days before I have anything to share... I have no idea what I'm going to do yet, maybe write some bass and warm it up a bit..

Glooper · Post by **Glooper** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:09 pm

Is it worth setting up a wiki.
Each song being produced can have a seperate page. with details of whats needed, who's doing what, who's organising the song... etc... etc...

Ben

Glooper · Post by **Glooper** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:11 pm

Of course, I say this as I haven't got a clue what's going on!... Having not read this thread for a week!

Ben

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:17 pm

No clue what's going on either.
Too bad I won't be at home for 2.5 weeks or so from thursday on, but I'm gonna take my laptop and some of the allready posted files with me.
Seems as if this thread could go for a while, so I'll be posting anything I'm coming up with when I'm back.

garret · Post by **garret** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:23 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:No clue what's going on either.

Anyone can grab Donkey's material who wants it...

I only had one night to work on it so far, and that night was mostly head scratching about the damn arrangement.

Then work got insane for a few days, and now I'm leaving on vacation tomorrow through Sunday night.

So please don't wait for me...

-Garret

many hands project