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oh no, not the beers. pianos wouldn't be any good if our Germans friends had a glass or two before making them.

though a certain analogy can be made, still. I drink Czech beers sometimes, yet prefer a fine glass of Bavarian any day of the week.
no matter from which brand that piano is
there's the planet of focking wookies, where this statement can be true. never in a real world, though. piano brands have a certain hierarchy, depending on their production and sonic qualities. otherwise, pianists would be all playing Petrof and not Steinway. not the case, though. never will be.

lets just say that Pianoteq is "the planet of focking wookies", where Petrof can possibly sound better than Steinway, since it's a virtual environment and in a virtual world all is possible. I'll give you that much. but never in a real world.

God, I forgot how I hate Ingo. He will write these super boring, super geeky posts about presets he made and shit, and the lists of the shit he likes. Always the same. Ugh.

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Dullee wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:07 am
no matter from which brand that piano is
there's the planet of focking wookies, where this statement can be true. never in a real world, though. piano brands have a certain hierarchy, depending on their production and sonic qualities. otherwise, pianists would be all playing Petrof and not Steinway. not the case, though. never will be.

lets just say that Pianoteq is "the planet of focking wookies", where Petrof can possibly sound better than Steinway, since it's a virtual environment and in a virtual world all is possible. I'll give you that much. but never in a real world.

God, I forgot how I hate Ingo. He will write these super boring, super geeky posts about presets he made and shit, and the lists of the shit he likes. Always the same. Ugh.
FWIW i like playing pianos (virtual/digital ones to be precise...) while i use synths most of the time and had done a lot of sound design with a bunch of synths. I am NOT a classic pianist at all so at the moment i do not really care what is important to classical pianists or not. FWIW I like to listen to classical piano music and also use certain pieces/tracks for testing different pianos but that's not what i do usually play myself which is not bound to a specific genre.

The fact that i prefer the SOUND (!!) of certain piano models over others does not mean that the others are totally shitty. As i alraedy mentioned i also got the Steinway Model D, Blüthner and K2 models.

As i tried to point out more than one time i do care about the sound of a specific piano, not if it's a well known and/or highly respected brand or not. When searching for a piano sound i like i do not care abot a "hierarchy" of piano brands or if you or others tell me that the pianos i like are "shitty" in your opinion or not.
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no, not reading it. no more time around your face, Ingo.

added your boring nerd ass to my block list for good.

no more "I made my presets for every possible life scenario" for 10 pages in a row.

phew! :party:

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nvm
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well that escalated quickly...

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I've loved every piano I've downloaded, demo'd, and bought. I can't think of one that gave me an instant reaction of it being complete and total crap.

It is in the regular playing that I eventually find something so annoying that I never open it up again.

With the majority of sampled pianos, the annoyance hits me in the pianissimo and double pianissimo ranges.

And it's there where Pianoteq has shone exponentially for me.

Liked v4, but not enough to buy. Liked v5 well enough to buy and upgrade to the full bundle, love v6. Like this new piano very much. Just weighing whether I should jump on it or wait until v7 where the upgrade price includes the new sets with it for me.

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I have rendered 15 audio demos using the full version of Pianoteq 6.3.0 Stage with the new Ant. Petrof 275 piano model with the "Ant. Petrof 275" preset. FWIW the MIDI files used for the demos were not created by myself.
I used the preset called "Ant. Petrof 275" without tweaking. I just switched the built-in Reverb off to use an external one. The only external FX used is the Lexicon MPX Native Reverb.

Here are the audio demos:
Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 12 Revolutionary - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Chopin - Scherzo Op.39 No.3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Chopin - Nocturne Op. 27 No. 2 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Mozart - Sonata No. 11 KV331 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata Mov 1 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata Mov 3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Beethoven - Für Elise - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Beethoven - Appassionata Mov 1 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Beethoven - Appassionata Mov 3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Debussy - Clair De Lune - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Hans Zimmer - Interstellar Main Theme - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Yiruma - Kiss The Rain - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Jordan Rudess - Grand Illusion - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
David Bowie - Space Oddity - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
La La Land - City Of Stars - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

UPDATE 1:
Some more audio demos using Pianoteq 6.3 with the Ant. Petrof 275 preset playing tracks from Franz Liszt:
Liszt - Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Liszt - Liebestraum No. 3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Liszt - Paganini Etude No. 3 La Campanella - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Liszt & Schubert - Ave Maria - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
Liszt - Etude Transcendentale Eroica - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1
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Ingonator wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:50 pm The MIDI file for the Rachmaninoff track was provided by KVR member fmr in my old thread about virtual Acoustic pianos a while ago which you find here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=470003
Maybe i will update/continue that thread in the future if i find time for it...
I posted indeed a Rachmaninoff file, but it was the Prelude in C# minor, Op. 3 #2. The file you rendered is the Etude Op. 10 #12 from Chopin (not Rachmaninoff), and it isn't mine :wink:
Fernando (FMR)

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I just downloaded the demo again and I'm really blown away again by how good this sounds. The new model is really nice as well :tu:

Here is a short thing I quickly made with a modified Steinway D preset:
https://soundcloud.com/deltasign/pianoteq-test-01

The muted demo notes are kinda a nice challenge :hihi:
I suppose you could strictly stay in A minor or C major, but where is the fun in that? :hihi:

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fmr wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:09 pm
Ingonator wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:50 pm The MIDI file for the Rachmaninoff track was provided by KVR member fmr in my old thread about virtual Acoustic pianos a while ago which you find here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=470003
Maybe i will update/continue that thread in the future if i find time for it...
I posted indeed a Rachmaninoff file, but it was the Prelude in C# minor, Op. 3 #2. The file you rendered is the Etude Op. 10 #12 from Chopin (not Rachmaninoff), and it isn't mine :wink:
Oops you are indeed correct. I just corrected the name of the first of the audio demos i just posted above. I have no clue why i mixed the names of those tracks up... :?
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Dullee wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:07 am God, I forgot how I hate Ingo. He will write these super boring, super geeky posts about presets he made and shit, and the lists of the shit he likes. Always the same. Ugh.
That‘s a pretty blunt but obviously quite honest statement which points to a long history of communication failures from which side ever... :scared:

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Ingonator wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:50 pm I have rendered 15 audio demos using the full version of Pianoteq 6.3.0 Stage with the new Ant. Petrof 275 piano model with the "Ant. Petrof 275" preset. FWIW the MIDI files used for the demos were not created by myself.
I used the preset called "Ant. Petrof 275" without tweaking. I just switched the built-in Reverb off to use an external one. The only external FX used is the Lexicon MPX Native Reverb.

Here are the audio demos:
Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 12 Revolutionary - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Chopin - Scherzo Op.39 No.3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Chopin - Nocturne Op. 27 No. 2 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Mozart - Sonata No. 11 KV331 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata Mov 1 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata Mov 3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Beethoven - Für Elise - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Beethoven - Appassionata Mov 1 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Beethoven - Appassionata Mov 3 - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Debussy - Clair De Lune - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Hans Zimmer - Interstellar Main Theme - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Yiruma - Kiss The Rain - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

Jordan Rudess - Grand Illusion - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

David Bowie - Space Oddity - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1

La La Land - City Of Stars - Pianoteq 6.3.0 - Ant. Petrof 275_1


PS:
FWIW here is my in my old thread about available virtual Acoustic pianos that i started a while ago
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=470003
Maybe i will update/continue that thread in the future if i find time for it...
Would be nice to have an aural comparision with other favourite piano plugins... :phones:

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BBFG# wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:05 am A predisposition of not wanting to like it will do that.
EvilDragon wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:27 am Yep, expectation and confirmation biases are a bitch. :)
Interesting how quickly some people jump to this conclusion. Triggered?

Got a few similar responses when I commented on Pianoteq 3 or 4.. whatever the version was half a decade ago. Funny that they have made it so different since then, further reducing the "weirdness" with each iteration. Surely there can't be any of that left?

My 30+ years of playing classical piano definitely makes me biased. I've also never recorded a piano in my life, right? :wink:
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IMO from a technical sound perspective it sounds very good, certainly clean. But it also sounds very boring. Sticking with HZ Pianos for now.

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BBFG# wrote: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:24 pm With the majority of sampled pianos, the annoyance hits me in the pianissimo and double pianissimo ranges.

And it's there where Pianoteq has shone exponentially for me.
This I can agree with. Pianissimo and that whole range at the very low level is excellent. Also fast retriggering of notes is of course handled much better by Pianoteq (been testing lately if Liszt version of La Campanella is in the impossible realm for me to learn or just hard :hihi: ). The physics of "playing" the piano feels spot on.

For me it falls apart in the sound stage (the mic/preamp/output stff) and most notably in any fortissimo or louder parts, especially if you let them ring out. You can get away with staccato stuff but I'm having real trouble getting a non-artificial/weird sound while playing the louder parts.

I need to do more testing though (I hate the demo so much! I need those friggin black keys).

Would be nice if Pianoteq partnered with someone like Townsendlabs and some experts in the field of accoustics. I think the key to the weirdness lies here as sample libraries obviously contain the real world components of microphone + preamp + room/reflections in each sample (this is also where they fall short as every sample contains every reflection for that particular note and doesn't naturally blend as a real piano does within the chassis of the piano (or whatever it is called in English, the enclosure?). Still, there is a certain "realness" to it that is missing and makes things sound weird.

Playing dynamics and the possibility for controlling it all is top notch. Way past what sample libraries can provide. At home I have only a lonely Roland FP-30 as my keybed but it's enough to get a general idea of the demo though.
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