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DUNE 2 is out now!!
- KVRAF
- 22872 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
I have a feeling its related more of being used to older workflow, especialy this might come from hardware synth days with multitimbrality where you would control everything from one synth.Fernando Carvalho wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:04 pmWell, in the case of Dune it makes sense to me. Sometimes I play with multiple layers and have the desire for more control over the sequence and the sound of each layer.Elektronisch wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:44 pmI also dont understand the need of multitimbral plugin in a software world.EnochLight wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:47 pmWow - I haven't thought about a plugin needing to be multitimbral in like... 15 years or longer? Can't we just create as many instances of a plugin that we need and combine them in your DAW? I know Reason, Bitwig, and most other DAW offer this sort of feature.![]()
I dont even use Kontakt multiple outs...its much more convinient to open a new plugin![]()
Multitimbral synths are useful too when you want to have only one instance of the plugin at sight and make multiple tracks with it. I find it useful and comfortable sometimes.
I love the fact that there are different layers in Dune, but multitimbrality is something i cant imagine ever using myself.
- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Multitimbrality is essential for pads. For instance can have bell sound on attack, warm low end, sustained supersaw for harmony, a layer of noise or a texture plus a one-time events sequenced by MSEGs. Each of these with individual velocity / note sensitivity.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRian
- 524 posts since 26 Nov, 2009
That's blurring the lines between composition, orchestration and sound design. In general, you may just use different midi tracks, or route 1 midi track to several synths or use modular environment to make complex layered patches.DJ Warmonger wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:59 pm Multitimbrality is essential for pads. For instance can have bell sound on attack, warm low end, sustained supersaw for harmony, a layer of noise or a texture plus a one-time events sequenced by MSEGs. Each of these with individual velocity / note sensitivity.
- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
I see. Well, I wouldn't count on it showing up any time soon. This sort of feature is so outside of what's normal in plugins these days, I just don't see Richard and Co. taking the time and code to implement it.Fernando Carvalho wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:04 pmWell, in the case of Dune it makes sense to me. Sometimes I play with multiple layers and have the desire for more control over the sequence and the sound of each layer.Elektronisch wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:44 pmI also dont understand the need of multitimbral plugin in a software world.EnochLight wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:47 pmWow - I haven't thought about a plugin needing to be multitimbral in like... 15 years or longer? Can't we just create as many instances of a plugin that we need and combine them in your DAW? I know Reason, Bitwig, and most other DAW offer this sort of feature.![]()
I dont even use Kontakt multiple outs...its much more convinient to open a new plugin![]()
Multitimbral synths are useful too when you want to have only one instance of the plugin at sight and make multiple tracks with it. I find it useful and comfortable sometimes.
What DAW do you work inside?
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- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
It's not essential at all (for anything), because combining as many instances of any plugin has been able to accomplish exactly this for... years? Just say'n...DJ Warmonger wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:59 pm Multitimbrality is essential for pads. For instance can have bell sound on attack, warm low end, sustained supersaw for harmony, a layer of noise or a texture plus a one-time events sequenced by MSEGs. Each of these with individual velocity / note sensitivity.
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Dune 2 also offers ability to combine modulation for them (like, target voice 1, 3 and 5 in modulation matrix). Many stock presets actually use multitimbrality just as described. In fact I find Dune 2 presets the best from all synths.EnochLight wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:25 pmIt's not essential at all (for anything), because combining as many instances of any plugin has been able to accomplish exactly this for... years? Just say'n...DJ Warmonger wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:59 pm Multitimbrality is essential for pads. For instance can have bell sound on attack, warm low end, sustained supersaw for harmony, a layer of noise or a texture plus a one-time events sequenced by MSEGs. Each of these with individual velocity / note sensitivity.![]()
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
True multitimbrality allows a synth to load multiple presets at the same time, and neither Dune 2 (nor its predecessor) allows that at all.DJ Warmonger wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:31 pmDune 2 also offers ability to combine modulation for them (like, target voice 1, 3 and 5 in modulation matrix). Many stock presets actually use multitimbrality just as described. In fact I find Dune 2 presets the best from all synths.EnochLight wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:25 pmIt's not essential at all (for anything), because combining as many instances of any plugin has been able to accomplish exactly this for... years? Just say'n...DJ Warmonger wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:59 pm Multitimbrality is essential for pads. For instance can have bell sound on attack, warm low end, sustained supersaw for harmony, a layer of noise or a texture plus a one-time events sequenced by MSEGs. Each of these with individual velocity / note sensitivity.![]()
But I agree being able to modulate is awesome, and I also agree Dune 2 has some of the most awesome presets in the industry. Richard and Co. really knock it out of the park with those. Looking forward to Dune 3 finally seeing the light of day!
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- KVRist
- 208 posts since 5 Jul, 2004
In order from more to less used Live, Bitwig, Reason and Studio One. NSA Freestyle as plugin subhost.EnochLight wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:23 pmI see. Well, I wouldn't count on it showing up any time soon. This sort of feature is so outside of what's normal in plugins these days, I just don't see Richard and Co. taking the time and code to implement it.Fernando Carvalho wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:04 pmWell, in the case of Dune it makes sense to me. Sometimes I play with multiple layers and have the desire for more control over the sequence and the sound of each layer.Elektronisch wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:44 pmI also dont understand the need of multitimbral plugin in a software world.EnochLight wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:47 pmWow - I haven't thought about a plugin needing to be multitimbral in like... 15 years or longer? Can't we just create as many instances of a plugin that we need and combine them in your DAW? I know Reason, Bitwig, and most other DAW offer this sort of feature.![]()
I dont even use Kontakt multiple outs...its much more convinient to open a new plugin![]()
Multitimbral synths are useful too when you want to have only one instance of the plugin at sight and make multiple tracks with it. I find it useful and comfortable sometimes.
What DAW do you work inside?
It is not that I am used to or want multitambrility so much, in the case of Dune I thought that the feature could make sense. Dune is so versatile that I can Imagine a Drumkit, complex layered pads or a entire series of tracks made just with it, but I don´t have a problem with using multiple instances at all.
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- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Actually, this is exactly the sort of thing VPS Avenger does, so I get it.Fernando Carvalho wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:03 pm It is not that I am used to or want multitimbrality so much, in the case of Dune I thought that the feature could make sense. Dune is so versatile that I can Imagine a Drumkit, complex layered pads or a entire series of tracks made just with it, but I don´t have a problem with using multiple instances at all.
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- KVRAF
- 2245 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Saint Germain en Laye, France
what soundbank are you talking about ?DJ Warmonger wrote: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:31 pm In fact I find Dune 2 presets the best from all synths.
- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
My hope about Dune3:
* Mpe with user curves.
* comb filter with feedback and keytracking
* full fm cross modulation between all voices/ engines
* more mseg's
* more filters, analog and more exotic styles
* innovative wavetable editor and creator
* more fx slot with a mixer per layer routing
* drag and drop modulation assign or another system.
* phase distortion, wave shaping possibility
* midi channels per layers.
* Mpe with user curves.
* comb filter with feedback and keytracking
* full fm cross modulation between all voices/ engines
* more mseg's
* more filters, analog and more exotic styles
* innovative wavetable editor and creator
* more fx slot with a mixer per layer routing
* drag and drop modulation assign or another system.
* phase distortion, wave shaping possibility
* midi channels per layers.
Best
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
My hope is:
* there will be still support for Dune 2 and its gui will be scalable
* there will be still support for Dune 2 and its gui will be scalable

