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[starise]

I really don't understand all the hate either Steve. People seldom ever get into the details with this kind of daw bashing. I could make probably any daw crash and post the results online.
IF what a few say were true across the board we wouldn't have such a large HAPPY user base.
I don't doubt there are occasional issues here and there. To doubt that is to doubt the nature of software itself.

It all begins to sound like a broken record after awhile. Blah blah blah it doesn't work. I'm glad I went to brand **. The fact that you have tons of time to come here and post about what doesn't seem to be working for you tells me one thing- You gave up. You probably didn't seek help. You didn't apply yourself to find the answers to your issues. You decided to bash rather than solve a problem. If you didn't like it, fair enough. Find something you like and use it. Just know this: You are a minority...always will be. The rest of us will be making music and solving our problems. Wanna talk about being behind in development? It takes Ableton 4 years to come out with an update and it's all small stuff. Reason thought it was wonderful when they got vst capability 10 years after everyone else did. Want me to continue? No one really bashed those guys.

If a person can't make CbB work for them in a reasonable way this reflects badly on them since there are plenty of full time ME's using it successfully on larger projects and making money.......................so bash all you want to, heck win a piddly argument here in KVR. It don't mean nothin' in the big picture.

I have used Platinum and later on CbB on plenty of my work. The people who played one of my tracks over 18,000 times didn't ask what daw I used nor did they care

[wetdentist]

yeah lots of hatred & i find it weird & pathological. it's not like there's tons of Cakewalk threads here, but when there is, you can count on haters hating. i love working on CbB & get lots & lots of songs done with it (though, admittedly, i do not use 32 bit plugins & bridges because back when i did do that (up until 2011 when Kore went 64 bit) those 32 bit plugins and jbridge would crash Sonar).

from what i understand, all DAWS have their peculiarities. i see Live users complain about things in Live, for example, but i'm not going to slander Live every chance i get because there was stuff about it i didn't like 10 years ago. on the other hand, i am known to complain about Maschine, but that's only because i am an avid user. lol

[THE INTRANCER]

I really don't understand all the hate either Steve. People seldom ever get into the details with this kind of daw bashing. I could make probably any daw crash and post the results online.
IF what a few say were true across the board we wouldn't have such a large HAPPY user base.
I don't doubt there are occasional issues here and there. To doubt that is to doubt the nature of software itself.

It all begins to sound like a broken record after awhile. Blah blah blah it doesn't work. I'm glad I went to brand **. The fact that you have tons of time to come here and post about what doesn't seem to be working for you tells me one thing- You gave up. You probably didn't seek help. You didn't apply yourself to find the answers to your issues. You decided to bash rather than solve a problem. If you didn't like it, fair enough. Find something you like and use it. Just know this: You are a minority...always will be. The rest of us will be making music and solving our problems. Wanna talk about being behind in development? It takes Ableton 4 years to come out with an update and it's all small stuff. Reason thought it was wonderful when they got vst capability 10 years after everyone else did. Want me to continue? No one really bashed those guys.

If a person can't make CbB work for them in a reasonable way this reflects badly on them since there are plenty of full time ME's using it successfully on larger projects and making money.......................so bash all you want to, heck win a piddly argument here in KVR. It don't mean nothin' in the big picture.

I have used Platinum and later on CbB on planty of my work. The people who played one of my tracks over 18.0000 times didn't ask what daw I used nor did they care

I've been using music creation programs since the mid 1980's, many through the 1990's on 16 /32 Bit machines, and even more so through the 2000's to the present. Sonar regardless of the computer used has either been a complete nightmare to even start up or remain stable.. It use to come on Computer Music magazine coverdisks... they never worked either on my old top of the line AMD Athlon 3500 of 2004, I'd used for 4 years...

My I7 920 Intel desktop handles every daw, and every compatible video application perfectly and they don't exhibit the same kind of behaviour as this daw does. Sonar or whatever they want to call it, is without question, one of the most flakiest programs I've ever used. I gave Bandlab a full 2 weeks of daily use before it imploded upon itself and subsequently refused to be able to re-install.

I later found out that the installation scattered a whole bunch of files all over the place. I had to use a third party application to clean all the crap it left behind all over different parts of my drive after it's useless uninstallation process. I think I'm recalling much of what I posted in the original announcement thread in my trial of it.

When these, graphical problems showed up which ultimately forced me to shut down and reopen the application, I went to the Cakewalk forum to post these issues, but nope...they closed the forum for new members to join it lol.. I wonder why that would be.... more than likely that was because of just how bad the program was in and the publicity it got.

You might think I hated the program from reading the above, but no...I wanted to like it..it's GUI has some nice configurable features and there is some cool interactive aspects which some other daws have adapted now..but all that flies out the window when all the cracks start showing and it all falls to pieces. I gave it a fair whack of the whip leaving any pre-judgements I had behind. But no... it didn't want to play nice...

I get feeling that some veteran Sonar users are in a bit of denial about the whole thing... whilst others have moved onto other daws now, and are much happier..

The bugs in Bandlab Cakewalk are quite comical... here's another instance..

[stacev]

Why call it "hate"? Maybe its fun to remember good old days using Cakewalk/Sonar.
It's ironic that Sonar was the first switched to 64bit, first implemented some features and at the end most people remember its bugs, not innovations Did that came just from people fantasy? Maybe all users, who reported issues over decades, who switched to other daws and caused decline of Sonar were all idiots unable to configure their computers properly to get the program running well? If yes, then seems Cakewalk/Sonar had the most unsuccessful user base.

[dellboy]

I went to the Cakewalk forum to post these issues, but nope...they closed the forum for new members to join it lol.. I wonder why that would be.... more than likely that was because of just how bad the program was in and the publicity it got.

Or could it just be practical ?

After all, if you give away a DAW that only a year before cost hundreds of dollars,its very likely to be adopted by a huge influx of new users. How would the existing moderators cope with that ?

[jinotsuh]

Cakewalk/SONAR couldn't make it on it's own, then under both Roland and Gibson it couldn't be made a viable, profitable concern, it just kept costing the owners money, so they ditched it. Cakewalk/SONAR just isn't and has never been very popular among the DAW using community, it's never sold well, never gotten any respect, it's always left out of the conversation, "Cakewalk/SONAR, what's that?" and why is that? It's pretty much always been flaky and buggy, crashing more often than a stunt car driver, it's audio engine is not exactly robust, it drops out regularly and at the drop of a hat, it's way behind the times, gapless audio engines anyone? The core of the product is so old and full of long standing bugs that will never be fixed, this has been said by the Dev's themselves when being asked if such and such can be fixed, the answer is no, it's to deep and would take to much, like a total rewrite.

Anyway, Cakewalk/SONAR,CbB is never going to amount to anything, never has never will, the fanbois think that now its free everyone will jump on it, well, have you seen or heard much buzz about it around the traps? . . . . that would be a no, it's just not going to happen, free or otherwise, it has a long standing BAD reputation, and the majority of people just don't want anything to do with it, even previous long time users who finally got to see what's available outside the Cakewalk bubble don't ever want to go back, they now realize what SONAR was really like, and that they didn't have to put up with it's crap, making it free changes nothing.

So lets see, Cakewalk/SONAR couldn't make it on its own, couldn't be made a viable/profitable concern under 2 successive parent companies and was promptly dumped, has now been purchased by . . . who? practically a nobody with lots of money and some dinky toy web apps and very basic toy audio interfaces (yeah yeah, Rolling Stone etc etc,) the type of user that uses BandLab prior to the Cakewalk acquisition don't seem to be the type that want a full featured DAW, even one that actually works properly they just want to slap loops together on mobile phones and tablets etc, something easy and quick, and finally after not being able to make it as commercial product, it's given away for free LOL . . . what?

So what happens when this fails, as it will, what's next? are they going to try and pay people to use it after not being able to sell it, not being able to give it away, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go.

It's just like watching a person dying of cancer . . . it's just a matter of time.

[digitalboytn]

Cakewalk/SONAR couldn't make it on it's own, then under both Roland and Gibson it couldn't be made a viable, profitable concern, it just kept costing the owners money, so they ditched it. Cakewalk/SONAR just isn't and has never been very popular among the DAW using community, it's never sold well, never gotten any respect, it's always left out of the conversation, "Cakewalk/SONAR, what's that?" and why is that? It's pretty much always been flaky and buggy, crashing more often than a stunt car driver, it's audio engine is not exactly robust, it drops out regularly and at the drop of a hat, it's way behind the times, gapless audio engines anyone? The core of the product is so old and full of long standing bugs that will never be fixed, this has been said by the Dev's themselves when being asked if such and such can be fixed, the answer is no, it's to deep and would take to much, like a total rewrite.

Anyway, Cakewalk/SONAR,CbB is never going to amount to anything, never has never will, the fanbois think that now its free everyone will jump on it, well, have you seen or heard much buzz about it around the traps? . . . . that would be a no, it's just not going to happen, free or otherwise, it has a long standing BAD reputation, and the majority of people just don't want anything to do with it, even previous long time users who finally got to see what's available outside the Cakewalk bubble don't ever want to go back, they now realize what SONAR was really like, and that they didn't have to put up with it's crap, making it free changes nothing.

So lets see, Cakewalk/SONAR couldn't make it on its own, couldn't be made a viable/profitable concern under 2 successive parent companies and was promptly dumped, has now been purchased by . . . who? practically a nobody with lots of money and some dinky toy web apps and very basic toy audio interfaces (yeah yeah, Rolling Stone etc etc,) the type of user that uses BandLab prior to the Cakewalk acquisition don't seem to be the type that want a full featured DAW, even one that actually works properly they just want to slap loops together on mobile phones and tablets etc, something easy and quick, and finally after not being able to make it as commercial product, it's given away for free LOL . . . what?

So what happens when this fails, as it will, what's next? are they going to try and pay people to use it after not being able to sell it, not being able to give it away, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go.

It's just like watching a person dying of cancer . . . it's just a matter of time.

I know that these are your personal feelings regarding Cakewalk,but personally,I think that they are full of emotional BS....

Like a drama queen on steroids having a rant

You would be better off spending the time making music and not writing fiction....

Your time would be far more productive...

Well,that is assuming that you have some musical skills

[dellboy]

So what happens when this fails, as it will, what's next? are they going to try and pay people to use it after not being able to sell it, not being able to give it away, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go.

It's just like watching a person dying of cancer . . . it's just a matter of time.

Hi jinotsuh, lets assume that everything you say is correct. I guess you are upset because you invested money in Cakewalk and felt cheated when it went belly up ? If so,then I feel for you,I would be angry as well,its only natural. Maybe you put a lot of time into learning the program and now feel it was time wasted ? again,its natural to feel a bit peeved. Putting all your angst to one side,how about someone like myself who never lost a penny and got a great DAW to use for nothing. Whats the problem of me enjoying it for the duration until it eventually goes off into history ?

[starise]

Cakewalk/SONAR couldn't make it on it's own, then under both Roland and Gibson it couldn't be made a viable, profitable concern, it just kept costing the owners money, so they ditched it. Cakewalk/SONAR just isn't and has never been very popular among the DAW using community, it's never sold well, never gotten any respect, it's always left out of the conversation, "Cakewalk/SONAR, what's that?" and why is that? It's pretty much always been flaky and buggy, crashing more often than a stunt car driver, it's audio engine is not exactly robust, it drops out regularly and at the drop of a hat, it's way behind the times, gapless audio engines anyone? The core of the product is so old and full of long standing bugs that will never be fixed, this has been said by the Dev's themselves when being asked if such and such can be fixed, the answer is no, it's to deep and would take to much, like a total rewrite.

Anyway, Cakewalk/SONAR,CbB is never going to amount to anything, never has never will, the fanbois think that now its free everyone will jump on it, well, have you seen or heard much buzz about it around the traps? . . . . that would be a no, it's just not going to happen, free or otherwise, it has a long standing BAD reputation, and the majority of people just don't want anything to do with it, even previous long time users who finally got to see what's available outside the Cakewalk bubble don't ever want to go back, they now realize what SONAR was really like, and that they didn't have to put up with it's crap, making it free changes nothing.

So lets see, Cakewalk/SONAR couldn't make it on its own, couldn't be made a viable/profitable concern under 2 successive parent companies and was promptly dumped, has now been purchased by . . . who? practically a nobody with lots of money and some dinky toy web apps and very basic toy audio interfaces (yeah yeah, Rolling Stone etc etc,) the type of user that uses BandLab prior to the Cakewalk acquisition don't seem to be the type that want a full featured DAW, even one that actually works properly they just want to slap loops together on mobile phones and tablets etc, something easy and quick, and finally after not being able to make it as commercial product, it's given away for free LOL . . . what?

So what happens when this fails, as it will, what's next? are they going to try and pay people to use it after not being able to sell it, not being able to give it away, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go.

It's just like watching a person dying of cancer . . . it's just a matter of time.

I can only handle so much BS in a day and I think you've exceeded the limit for at least a week here. I don't even know where to begin to dig through such a huge pile of poo.

This is exactly what fake news is. Do you write fake news? Fake news takes a few facts and mixes it all up with a bunch of inaccuracies.
-Companies trade all the time. Fact- This isn't always the fault of said companies. Fact- A company can be doing really well on a product but not make enough money at it to float.
Fact- The Gibson aquisition was simply moronic management and mishadling of an excellent product.
Fact- If you've found more than the ordinary bug here and there which is in all daw software, then you are in a minority. Big time. I'm not discounting you had issues, but something somewhere isn't adding up for anyone who claims continued bugs, lockups and so forth is either on a shitty computer,has an old outdated interface, doesn't have their settings correct or doesn't understand how to operate the software.
Fact- Far from being "behind the times" as you say Sonar has been on the cutting edge of new developments. Do you want the list? I don't want to embarrass you too bad here.

For those who didn't know, Cakewalk has had the Radius algorithm for a long long time. What's the Radius stretch algorithm you say? Why it's the same one PT uses
Cakewalk now has zplane, the same algorithm that Ableton Live uses. In fact it is a highlight of that daw and now you have it for free in CbB.

Are you a bedroom producer? How many daws have you used? Any hit records? Can you tell us all about your record of accomplishments on the one you use right now? IOW I don't think you even know what a full featured daw really is. The reason I can say this is because you think CbB isn't full featured.

Truth be told you're making a lot of predictions about CbB that you have no basis for. Since the last aquisition CbB has had regular updates to bugs. We have been told the forum will be changed over. I think some of the reason it hasn't been yet is because the user base wanted a similar experience in the new forum IOW they didn't want it radically changed.
CbC have been "beyond all expectation"....so there

[woggle]

I'm keeping an eye on the new Cakewalk - I have it installed. There are a lot of things I like about it but not enough to switch me from Reaper. But Reaper has its own problems and if I eventually get rid of Reaper Cakewalk will be the first alternative I turn to.

[ruslan.st]

I watch it too. Hope Bandlab will keep interest in it and monthly improvements will not stop after few months.
Btw, what about midi loops in Media Browser? Does anyone know why they don't align to bar boundaries and repetitions start too early. Doesn't seem like a bug, but intentional behavior. No other DAWs loop midi such way.

[ruslan.st]

If measure DAW quality by number of successful commercial songs I am afraid Cakewalk is very-very far behind Pro Tools.

[woggle]

If measure DAW quality by number of successful commercial songs I am afraid Cakewalk is very-very far behind Pro Tools.

I'm not a commercial song fan so that is fine by me - crashes aren't though, but that is not something I experienced any more so than with Reaper or Samplitude

[whyterabbyt]

If measure DAW quality by number of successful commercial songs I am afraid Cakewalk is very-very far behind Pro Tools.

by that measure, everything is 'very-very far behind Pro Tools'

[whyterabbyt]

meh, fecking buttons in the wrong fecking place.