AudioModern Riffer in Logic Pro X

[W23]

I saw the ad for Riffer just yesterday, and am
intrigued. However, I just bought Logic Pro last weekend, and I have to wonder how useful it really would be in a DAW like Logic since Logic is already a powerful midi sequencer, and it sounds something like a chore to set up step sequencers and other plugins that transmit midi. Also, I have an iPad. I’m thinking I could just spend 8 bucks and use Riffer via Studiomux. I’m just getting to know Logic, and can’t help but wonder if it renders things like Riffer as redundant

[SirkusPi]

As a Logic user with lots of MidiFx plugins, I don't think Riffer is "redundant" in Logic, as its purpose is essentially to make generative melodies, which Logic and its built-in sequencers / arpeggiators don't precisely do. Nor is it a chore to set up, given that it comes as a MidiFx plugin, so there's no real routing required.

However, having just tried the demo version of Riffer last night, I don't actually think it's all that exciting. It's not bad, but it feels limited in what it can do compared to Midi Madness 3, which is my current generative plugin of choice for when I'm in the mood for such things, and what I'll probably just keep using. (Note: I'm not affiliated at all with either software program; just giving my personal opinion.)

[W23]

I’ll have to check out Midi Madness 3. I have never even heard of it. I really need to open Numerology again. I bought it with the idea of using it with a Launchpad Mini and forgot all about it. I think got sidetracked with some Max for Live sequencers and a Push 2 for a minute there

[sureno]

Yeah I’m totally underwhelmed by riffer, I wanted to like it but every demo video Iv seen the generated midi sequences just seem very genetically obvious and bland, it’s cheap enough to swallow but really nothing overly outstanding imo

[W23]

Midi Madness 3 is on sale right now. It’s more expensive than Riffer but, I don’t mind paying more for something that I’ll use more than a couple of times

[sureno]

Midi Madness 3 smashes this out the park, just bought MM3

[xbitz]

check

http://www.palette-mct.com/overview_mus ... lette.html too

[bharris22]

Midi Madness 3 is on sale right now. It’s more expensive than Riffer but, I don’t mind paying more for something that I’ll use more than a couple of times

Hi there,

Where do you see Midi Madness 3 on sale? Maybe I missed that .

In addition, could you please tell me which Max for Live sequencers you are using? I am very interested in this, as well.

Thanks!

[SirkusPi]

It’s currently $60 USD (rather than $79) at Plugin Boutique.

[W23]

I’ve used a bunch of Max for Live Sequencers. The Arcade Series, Tricky Traps, Random Riff and Random Chord Generator. They are all pretty good. I just needed to find something that will work in Logic. The HY-Seq Collection is alright too, and that will also work as an Audio Unit since a recent update (which I just realized after checking my midi effects window in Logic).

[W23]

check

http://www.palette-mct.com/overview_mus ... lette.html too

Is this a standalone program that generates midi files? I don’t see a mention of VST or AU?

[xbitz]

^^^

The main purpose of Musical Palette program is help to create melodies. The basic features are:

1. The program represents the melody in a structure that is analogue to the structure of common speech. There are words (motives), phrases, sentences. Such an approach allows a simple and effective algorithm to be applied to the composition of melodies.

2. The program implements twelve four methods of motive development. Some of them are listed here: variation; inversion; repetition; sequence and so on. These methods similar to the visual effects in graphical editors. The program suggests the 'theoretically correct' algorithm for the melody creation. The main advantage of the algorithm is: we take some existing part of a melody (motive or phrase) and apply the methods of motive development (for example, variation) to this motive of phrase to create a new motive or phrase of the melody.

3. The program knows the most commonly used triads and seventh chords of the key. The program represents the chords in a four-voice form. The names of the voices are soprano, alto, tenor and bass. Any chord has many variants of an arrangement. For example: any chord note can be placed in the first position of the arrangement. The chord notes can be arranged adjacently (tight arrangement) or remotely (wide arrangement). The user can choose both the type of the chord and the arrangement of the chord.

4. The program understands the logic of the functional motion. That is, the program knows the rules, which describe how and in what sequence the chords appear in the chord progression. On each step, the program suggests only those chords, which are suitable for the current position in the chord progression.

5. The program understands the 'voice-leading' rules. The rules define how one chord notes transform to another chord notes. The chord progressions, where these rules are used, sound very harmonious.

6. The program contains demo-scripts, which show how to use the program, and how to compose melodies.

7. The program has an option that exports the melody to a midi (*.mid) file. The exported file consists of three tracks: melody, chords, bass. You can import this file to any midi sequencer or style arranger to create a complete tune.

yepp stand-alone with midi-out/midi-export > last point above, manual is here http://www.palette-mct.com/manual_eng/t ... tents.html ( License: Freeware. ) on mac it works with Wine, has MIDI-out so can use IAC bus (or virtual midi cables)

[SLiC]

As a Logic user with lots of MidiFx plugins, I don't think Riffer is "redundant" in Logic, as its purpose is essentially to make generative melodies, which Logic and its built-in sequencers / arpeggiators don't precisely do. Nor is it a chore to set up, given that it comes as a MidiFx plugin, so there's no real routing required.

However, having just tried the demo version of Riffer last night, I don't actually think it's all that exciting. It's not bad, but it feels limited in what it can do compared to Midi Madness 3, which is my current generative plugin of choice for when I'm in the mood for such things, and what I'll probably just keep using. (Note: I'm not affiliated at all with either software program; just giving my personal opinion.)

I bought riffer and really like it, its sort of like having a Euclidian/Turing Machine or Marbles in in Eurorack, the demo is very limited, they really don't do themselves any favours with that, there are far more options in the full version. That said, it really needs to be far more midi-mappable so that you can use turn it on/off, randomly add new notes to the sequence (map the infinity button to a random control, putting something like this in Bitwg with the unified modulation system really would make it like a modular generator with far more control over when, how often and how much....

[dangayle]

How does this compare to the Captain Plugins?

[Trancit]

How does this compare to the Captain Plugins?

It creates melodys on windows...