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Can any more experienced forum dwellers/inhabiters tell me if any other DAW creates such hatred and venom as Sonar/Cakewalk does...
I've been around computer music since late 1990's .. had crashes with lots of DAWS... BUT never never never have I had the mindset to "dis" so aggressively any DAW...
BTW, your Reason designs sucx @Intrancer... I guess we all want different things from a DAW...
OH and I am quiet enjoying my re_found experience with Sonar/Cakewalk.. I have not experienced any of the probs you posted here and on Yuoutube...
Maybe I just know how to set up my DAW PC>>>

Reaper is the other one people get pretty heated about although kn the opposite direction, Reaper has some real jealous lovers

[toonertik]

Reaper is the other one people get pretty heated about although kn the opposite direction, Reaper has some real jealous lovers

haha>> don't I know THAT.. I also have Reaper.. which I like (along with Samplitude, Mixbus, even Live, Acid and Cakewalk's Project5 ) but not enough to get heated about..
If I want to get heated>> there are politics and religion for that>>>

[thomekk]

Just discovering the Bandlab Cakewalk - and I'm liking it.
Especially the PianoRoll and the ability to see all track-instruments listed with the abilty to switch and having the option to blend all midi-channel data into PR or only selected (filter is also useful).
Yes, I had some crashes, but all DAWs can do this.

[Tronam]

Can any more experienced forum dwellers/inhabiters tell me if any other DAW creates such hatred and venom as Sonar/Cakewalk does...

Try perusing any KVR Reason thread.

[toonertik]

Try perusing any KVR Reason thread.

Oh yeah, I can imagine.. my question was more rhetorical... I don't need to read a bunch of DAW hate (nor excessive fanboi love either), especially on a DAW I don't have or use.
I live in hope that one day there can be constructive criticism and mature discussion..
Maybe I still live in hope of the ole hippy dream...

[THE INTRANCER]

Can any more experienced forum dwellers/inhabiters tell me if any other DAW creates such hatred and venom as Sonar/Cakewalk does...
I've been around computer music since late 1990's .. had crashes with lots of DAWS... BUT never never never have I had the mindset to "dis" so aggressively any DAW...
BTW, your Reason designs sucx @Intrancer... I guess we all want different things from a DAW...
OH and I am quiet enjoying my re_found experience with Sonar/Cakewalk.. I have not experienced any of the probs you posted here and on Yuoutube...
Maybe I just know how to set up my DAW PC>>>

I'm quite amused , but I'll come to that jab at my artwork in a bit...

But what you interpret as venom and hatred, really isn't that at all.. it's more about the sharing of one's experience, and sharing that experience with others so they can learn from it, forewarning them so they don't fall into the rabbit hole..that they have experienced with a piece of software. That saves people time, effort and money... and helps people make the right decisions. If you or anyone else doesn't want to listen and carry on merrily ignoring those who can give a deep insight and evidence of any issue's they have had with a piece of software feel free... nobody is stopping you. If it works for you...great, but how long that will be is anyone's guess... People don't just post huge posts, to waste their own time and energy...they do it to compare experiences with others besides the above also...

Playing with and exploring daws is fun, but when I sit down and produce a piece of music, I take that seriously....there's 43 tracks accessible from my signature. I did that with music software and even now with video editing software that is reliable. I started my Reason design stuff around 9 - 10 years ago, and I actively threw it out there for public opinion to criticise and that's how I improved what I did, by looking at different perspectives and extracting what I wanted to know and discarding what wasn't much use.Here's one example here. (My redesign is on the left)

[digitalboytn]

I spent most of the day working with the latest Cakewalk release and it was all good...

No problems at all...Zero...

So I am surprised when I read about the issues that some people claim to have with this DAW...

Before Sonar X3e there were a few bugs,but they were not showstoppers and from X3e,the guys at Cakewalk really stepped up to the plate and got things happening...

This is a solid program and it offers all of the features that a professional user needs in a DAW...

So I feel that the new Cakewalk will prove itself to both professional and amatuer users and they will win over the whiners and the nay sayers with the positive development that is occuring with each and every release...

Even though the plugin snobs may disagree,the PX-64 & VX-64 VST's that are included with Cakewalk are great ! They can keep the Boost VST,but the PX-64 and VX-64 are very useful tools and I have been using them since they were released a long time ago...

Thanks once again to the guys at Bandlab for ressurecting Cakewalk and showing it some love

[JoseC.]

Funny that those who claim that Cakewalk is so buggy are those who do not actually use it, and those who actually do seem to be pretty happy with it. We have the usual handful of haters who drop by in every Cakewalk thread, telling the usual stories about "bugs" they found long ago, when they tried the DAW for a while, without telling much about them. For the most part might be the usual confusion when you just launch a new DAW without RTFM, and you expect everything to work like your current DAW. Or like our favourite S1 fanboi, because you just tampered with the program installation until it did not work anymore.

The truth is that Cakewalk is a solid program, and a look at its forums today show that the people reporting problems are few, most of them are just user confusion that gets solved quickly, and that the developers are actively participating in the forum and taking inmediate notive of everything that might look like a real bug.

I don't have time to test every existing DAW, but I have used pretty extensively Ableton and Cakewalk, and Reaper a little less, and I do not find Cakewalk any more buggy or unreliable than the other two, and it actually comes out on the top in many aspects. But it is a deep program and I understand that a casual approach to test it without RTFM might be frustrating for some, and lead to believe that some parts of it do not work well.

[CTStump]

Bugs and niggles notwithstanding, Cakewalk by Bandlab is a "Professional" sequencer and represents an exceptional value for a free offering(at the moment).

Im reminded of a great saying appropriate for this discussion: "some ingrates would bitch if they were hung by a gold rope".

For those claiming "Their" problems aired out in this or any other appropriate forum would help others to see the light and move on and avoid the trouble remember this, we all dont use the software the same nor do we have the same rigs and require your useless advice. We will "Know" if it works on our own and work around what doesn't.

All others will most likely join your bashfest and spin their wheels.

[digitalboytn]

Bugs and niggles notwithstanding, Cakewalk by Bandlab is a "Professional" sequencer and represents an exceptional value for a free offering(at the moment).

It represents exceptional value indeed

I have a fully loaded Cakewalk account and the latest version of Cakewalk is a bargain in comparison...

I do hope that Bandlab resurrect Rapture Pro and Z3TA+2 for others to enjoy...

I didn't like Rapture Pro at first,but I have been using it a lot and it has some advantages over using Dimension Pro and Rapture separately...

It was the only product I bought when Cakewalk was in the hands of Gibson...

SFZ is a smart format and many kudos for Rene Caballos for coming up for that one...

When you think about just how much work a DAW does,it's incredible that any of them run at all !

If you tried to do all of that stuff in the analog world,it be a real challenge and a big headache...

I grew up in that world and nearly every bit of hardware had idiosyncrasies that you had to find a way to work around,including the expensive stuff..

So I am grateful for the fantastic tools that we have in the brave new digital world and using this stuff is a "cakewalk" compared to what it was really like back in the analog stone age

[jinotsuh]

The thing I find really telling about the Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB situation is the sheer amount of users who have left to other products with no intention of returning. The forums are a ghost town in comparison to how they were.

After their forced and often first time serious venture outside the Cakewalk ecosystem when everything went belly up last November, and actually seriously spending the time to become familiar with other products and their workflows etc, they are realizing what they have been needlessly putting up with for all these years, the huge amount of workarounds for problems that have become second nature to them over the years, the instability etc etc. You see them openly talking about this on various forums. You must remember that just because there is a workaround for an issue, a bug, that doesn't mean the bug ceases to exist, it's just that there is a way around it, albeit convoluted, inconvenient, a way to stop it from crashing or causing issues, the bug is still there, and if you aren't so familiar with the many required workarounds for SONAR/CbB, and depending on how deep you dive, you will see that instability, see those bugs far more than someone for whom all those workarounds has become second nature. That's something the Cakewalk Dev's have never really grasped, they seem to think that if there is a workaround, regardless of how convoluted and inconvenient, that there is no longer a bug to be fixed, so it never gets fixed, hence the huge number of long standing bugs in SONAR/CbB, even the great Anderton once stated in a post that if there is a workaround for an issue, a bug, it is less likely to be fixed . . . crazy.

I know this first hand, personal experience, I started using Cakewalk products with Pro Audio 9, I learned all the required workarounds over the years, what buttons to push, and more importantly which ones not to push, what to do and what not to do to keep the products reasonably happy, and never really had any problems, but if I so chose I could bring it crashing down at will, and not by doing anything exotic or unreasonable, just normal stuff a new user would do who was following the instructions in the manual, the way it was meant to be done, as apposed to the way it should be done, ie, via the workarounds because things didn't work as designed, as they were supposed to, ie BUGGED. The audio engine, bring that to its knees at will, again not by doing anything exotic or unreasonable, but just by knowing SONAR's many weaknesses, bugs and knowing which buttons to push to bring it on. Yes all software has it's bugs, need for workarounds etc, but in my experience none more so than Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB, they have the market cornered in that respect.

You can check out my early posts from bygone years, you will find posts praising Cakewalk/SONAR, defending them even, that is until 3 or 4 years back when I myself ventured outside of the Cakewalk bubble and discovered what many other ex Cakewalk users are only discovering now, I can see things for what and how they really are, and not through 'fanbio' glasses, not through 'not wanting to learn something new' glasses, not through 'not wanting to get out of my comfort zone' glasses, not through some foolish 'loyalty' glasses, but how things really are, the grass really is greener on the other side if you are a Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB user.

A lot of these users that have left are long time users, long time supporters of Cakewalk, you could even say they were fanbois, and the fact that even they have dumped Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB after finding a new DAW with no intentions of returning speaks volumes, . . . message received . . . Loud and clear

[Chris Walton]

Do you want to mention some of those "buttons not to push" specifically? Because so far it's all been general platitudes while I'm sitting here using Cakewalk, pushing buttons at will without the product crashing or misbehaving, and I'd like to know which buttons I'm apparently avoiding subconsciously.

[CTStump]

The thing I find really telling about the Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB situation is the sheer amount of users who have left to other products with no intention of returning. The forums are a ghost town in comparison to how they were.

After their forced and often first time serious venture outside the Cakewalk ecosystem when everything went belly up last November, and actually seriously spending the time to become familiar with other products and their workflows etc, they are realizing what they have been needlessly putting up with for all these years, the huge amount of workarounds for problems that have become second nature to them over the years, the instability etc etc. You see them openly talking about this on various forums. You must remember that just because there is a workaround for an issue, a bug, that doesn't mean the bug ceases to exist, it's just that there is a way around it, albeit convoluted, inconvenient, a way to stop it from crashing or causing issues, the bug is still there, and if you aren't so familiar with the many required workarounds for SONAR/CbB, and depending on how deep you dive, you will see that instability, see those bugs far more than someone for whom all those workarounds has become second nature. That's something the Cakewalk Dev's have never really grasped, they seem to think that if there is a workaround, regardless of how convoluted and inconvenient, that there is no longer a bug to be fixed, so it never gets fixed, hence the huge number of long standing bugs in SONAR/CbB, even the great Anderton once stated in a post that if there is a workaround for an issue, a bug, it is less likely to be fixed . . . crazy.

I know this first hand, personal experience, I started using Cakewalk products with Pro Audio 9, I learned all the required workarounds over the years, what buttons to push, and more importantly which ones not to push, what to do and what not to do to keep the products reasonably happy, and never really had any problems, but if I so chose I could bring it crashing down at will, and not by doing anything exotic or unreasonable, just normal stuff a new user would do who was following the instructions in the manual, the way it was meant to be done, as apposed to the way it should be done, ie, via the workarounds because things didn't work as designed, as they were supposed to, ie BUGGED. The audio engine, bring that to its knees at will, again not by doing anything exotic or unreasonable, but just by knowing SONAR's many weaknesses, bugs and knowing which buttons to push to bring it on. Yes all software has it's bugs, need for workarounds etc, but in my experience none more so than Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB, they have the market cornered in that respect.

You can check out my early posts from bygone years, you will find posts praising Cakewalk/SONAR, defending them even, that is until 3 or 4 years back when I myself ventured outside of the Cakewalk bubble and discovered what many other ex Cakewalk users are only discovering now, I can see things for what and how they really are, and not through 'fanbio' glasses, not through 'not wanting to learn something new' glasses, not through 'not wanting to get out of my comfort zone' glasses, not through some foolish 'loyalty' glasses, but how things really are, the grass really is greener on the other side if you are a Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB user.

A lot of these users that have left are long time users, long time supporters of Cakewalk, you could even say they were fanbois, and the fact that even they have dumped Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB after finding a new DAW with no intentions of returning speaks volumes, . . . message received . . . Loud and clear

I too left Sonar at 8.5.3 and still use Project 5.2. Since 2011 I steadfastly used Studio One through version 2.6.5 and still use it as my main DAW. Yes it was less buggy than sonar and more stable and far more faster to use but in terms of value CbB whips the upgrade for Studio One "Out of the Park".

I can live with whatever Cakwalk throws at me at no risk othet than a few niggles and learn to "Save" more with a fairly decent DAW that can and with work "Will" do all that I need, at no monetary risk. If it doesn't than maybe I will update but only time and unforeseen hiccups will tell.

[JoseC.]

The thing I find really telling about the Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB situation is the sheer amount of users who have left to other products with no intention of returning. The forums are a ghost town in comparison to how they were.

After their forced and often first time serious venture outside the Cakewalk ecosystem when everything went belly up last November, and actually seriously spending the time to become familiar with other products and their workflows etc, they are realizing what they have been needlessly putting up with for all these years, the huge amount of workarounds for problems that have become second nature to them over the years, the instability etc etc. You see them openly talking about this on various forums. You must remember that just because there is a workaround for an issue, a bug, that doesn't mean the bug ceases to exist, it's just that there is a way around it, albeit convoluted, inconvenient, a way to stop it from crashing or causing issues, the bug is still there, and if you aren't so familiar with the many required workarounds for SONAR/CbB, and depending on how deep you dive, you will see that instability, see those bugs far more than someone for whom all those workarounds has become second nature. That's something the Cakewalk Dev's have never really grasped, they seem to think that if there is a workaround, regardless of how convoluted and inconvenient, that there is no longer a bug to be fixed, so it never gets fixed, hence the huge number of long standing bugs in SONAR/CbB, even the great Anderton once stated in a post that if there is a workaround for an issue, a bug, it is less likely to be fixed . . . crazy.

I know this first hand, personal experience, I started using Cakewalk products with Pro Audio 9, I learned all the required workarounds over the years, what buttons to push, and more importantly which ones not to push, what to do and what not to do to keep the products reasonably happy, and never really had any problems, but if I so chose I could bring it crashing down at will, and not by doing anything exotic or unreasonable, just normal stuff a new user would do who was following the instructions in the manual, the way it was meant to be done, as apposed to the way it should be done, ie, via the workarounds because things didn't work as designed, as they were supposed to, ie BUGGED. The audio engine, bring that to its knees at will, again not by doing anything exotic or unreasonable, but just by knowing SONAR's many weaknesses, bugs and knowing which buttons to push to bring it on. Yes all software has it's bugs, need for workarounds etc, but in my experience none more so than Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB, they have the market cornered in that respect.

You can check out my early posts from bygone years, you will find posts praising Cakewalk/SONAR, defending them even, that is until 3 or 4 years back when I myself ventured outside of the Cakewalk bubble and discovered what many other ex Cakewalk users are only discovering now, I can see things for what and how they really are, and not through 'fanbio' glasses, not through 'not wanting to learn something new' glasses, not through 'not wanting to get out of my comfort zone' glasses, not through some foolish 'loyalty' glasses, but how things really are, the grass really is greener on the other side if you are a Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB user.

A lot of these users that have left are long time users, long time supporters of Cakewalk, you could even say they were fanbois, and the fact that even they have dumped Cakewalk/SONAR/CbB after finding a new DAW with no intentions of returning speaks volumes, . . . message received . . . Loud and clear

Wow! You must be really butthurt to write such a rant after so long. Otherwise, why bother? Haters never cease to amuse me

[digitalboytn]

Wow! You must be really butthurt to write such a rant after so long.

I think that jintosh is a real drama queen....

Cakewalk is not the problem...

He just wants something to have a good old rant about

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