Wusik Beta Testing (new installers, new Wusik EVE V5 and other products updates)

[goldglob]

.../... But the presets made available later for testing ( Mellotronix etc) depend on the associated sounds being in place and EVE knowing where to find them...alas, this is not yet the case....all you can do for now to test the Mellotronix presets is to point EVE to the sounds required one by one...yes, tedious for now.

You really don't need to do that. You just need to copy the folder Mellotronix from e.g. the WusikStation Data/Soundets into the EVE Data/Soundsets folder. From then on, all the Mellotronix presets will load as supposed. Same applies to ElektroWusik and HQ Piano Sets.

When William manages to create the mentioned Shared Soundsets folder, all Wusik instruments will point to the same folder, so, thill not be needed anymore (hopefully).

Ah right, I see what you mean now. I had been trying to add the extra sounds by using the 'Add Older Wusik Station Data' which doesn't actually work at the moment (nothing is added), but I guess even if it had worked the paths to the sounds would still be wrong because when William created those extra presets he must have had the sounds in place as you have described...actually in the EVE soundsets folder itself.

[goldglob]

.....Just to clarify further, say you want the Mellotronix presets to find the Mellotronix sounds, you have to put the Mellotronix sounds folder itself in the EVE soundsets folder...it won't work putting say the overall "WusikOne_SoundsCollection" folder (which contains the Mellotronix folder) in the EVE soundsets folder.

[goldglob]

I have 'Ask When Preset Has Changes' ticked.
I edit a preset.
I choose another preset, but don't get that warning.
Then I check in other Wusik products.
No warning in Wusik Station V9 or Wusik 8008 or Wusik One.

And in Wusik Station v8 and Wusik 8000 I get a warning sometimes (like when I change the ADSR) but not when I just change a Vol or Pan knob etc.
Is it only certain parameter changes that trigger this warning?

[WilliamK]

Oh, I have to check that. It should be any parameter, maybe I goofed something again. coding is hard...

Wk

[Cakreshvara]

Goldglob and fmr,

Thanks for the explanations and your time to reply.

The presets, multis, finding old Wusik data still needs a lot of love for the process to work right and not be a turn off to someone evaluating a demo (especially if they have previous sound files to import).. Not complaining, just reporting.

Maybe having a guy like me with a 70 IQ or thereabouts is a good thing, because represent a potential user wanting to just fire up the program and have the preset functions work. I know this is a work in progress and only slightly understand the sweat and toil to get everything connected.
New soundsets and the preset connects will probably work flawlessly designed for EVE 5. It is the import for older users that the presets don’t bring up the associated files and a brick wall of potential frustration. Preset effects will obviously not translate from sound to sound as anything desirable if we have to plug in missing files with something else.

Soundsets do load correctly if they are added to the legacy EVE folder. Playing now with the old Prism soundsets and taking in some nostalgia vibes. Process currently of copying soundsets to the EVE data folder is sufficient to correctly load a soundset, but the multis and presets for any group of soundsets remains a problem. Have created as well new multis that will not load after saved. Neither the soundset nor retrieval or the effects. Trying to load a multi and GUI flashes past the selection and nothing loads, although the multi has been saved and is there as an option.

CPU issue I have to recreate, and maybe was due to inserting EVE into an already maxed out session in Reaper with other resource hogs. If encounter this again, will report facts and numbers.

Best to all of you. Only got a vague idea of how hard it must be to work this all out.

John

[Cakreshvara]

Getting to know the layout a bit better and some of my concerns are operator error (me). Sorry for a waste of cyberspace and false red flags.

Able to save multis with the associated file, just didn't know how to pull it off.

CPU usage is hi, over 20% and causing crackles with a USB 2 Focusrite card at 256 buffer. Increase the buffer to 512 and reduced crackles, but CPU still over 15%. This is in Reaper 64 bit with only one channel and one instance of EVE. i5 processor and 8 GB RAM. Running a multi with all four slots loaded and a couple effects on each channel.

Issues going ahead seem to be the linking of legacy presets to their respective sound files. Trying to put myself in the driver's seat of an old timer with lots of Wusik files from EVE, Wusikstation etc. Trying to import and having problems with the connection. Actually, the presets seem almost like a distraction even when they don't work. The sound files load perfectly and where I am focusing currently. Loading of old Wusik data of course needs a fix short of copying everything to the EVE data folder.

Improvements could be made at some time in the scope of both vst and content locations. Means that there would ideally be the ability to add vst's from multiple locations, and sound content from more than the 3 selections. Copying a vst or vsti dll to the effects folder, especially with more complex synths often dumps the synth's file directory. Need to have options to add multiple vst/vsti file locations. Also, the additional paths to extra content folders can be burned up quick if you have several library locations. Ideal would be an open ended addition for other locations over the 3 limitation currently.

Filter needed still for files like sfz in third party locations since the browser tree extends off to the right of the screen without ability to resize the area. The sfz's are lost in the wav or flac files making it hard to determine what you are trying to load.

This is probably something too off track for now, but with the vst/vsti integration, is there some bridge function that would allow for instance 64 bit EVE to pick up 32 bit plugs. Use J-Bridge but not the greatest solution. If you load EVE 32, can't use 64 bit plugs. Load EVE 64 and can't use 32 bit plugs.

One of the powers of EVE is being able to act as a central point to load other synths and integrate them into the program. Mix and match sounds, Wusik and other.

Loading more of the old Prism soundsets, and there are gems there. One brass section brought up memories of Ben Hur or something when the heathens were out there wandering around in the tundra. Cinematic stuff.

Very very nice and powerful program. Realized I could get lost for years in what is already available.

Cheers, John K

[WilliamK]

Thanks for the detailed report. I'm doing my best to make it even better. I do plan on making a shared sound folder for all my products ASAP. That will help things out.

Cheers, WilliamK

[goldglob]

Cakreshvara, where are these old Prism soundsets...I've looked through my old EVE3 soundsets?

[Cakreshvara]

Goldglob,

The Prizm soundsets were or maybe are still available as another vast library, gigabytes of Wusiksound files that came with a different GUI, but was basically WusikStation under a different visual interface. The installation needed passwords and a singular freeware zip program to unpack them, ZipGenius which is still there for free.

Don't know if this helps, but some info on Prizm, if it is even available anymore.

http://ssdigitalsolutions.com/VST-VSTi-Tags/prizm

Blast into the past sorta thing. Like picking pebbles on the beach. Some real gems in the mix.

Best,
John K

[Cakreshvara]

Here's a much better link for Prizm. Looks like the product is still available.

http://www.supersynths.com/Synths/prizm.html

[WilliamK]

Ok, the next update for ALL products will focus on a new important feature: Share Folder for SoundSets and VSTs.

As right now if you have all products and want to use the same SoundSets base it gets a bit complicated, it works, but could have a better solution. So I will start working on this ASAP.

There will also be updates for the Multi-Preset feature as I already improved the code, will include this in the next update too.

Cheers, WilliamK
(copied from the Wusik support pages)

[fmr]

Ok, the next update for ALL products will focus on a new important feature: Share Folder for SoundSets and VSTs.

As right now if you have all products and want to use the same SoundSets base it gets a bit complicated, it works, but could have a better solution. So I will start working on this ASAP.

There will also be updates for the Multi-Preset feature as I already improved the code, will include this in the next update too.

Cheers, WilliamK
(copied from the Wusik support pages)

[goldglob]

Here's a much better link for Prizm. Looks like the product is still available.

http://www.supersynths.com/Synths/prizm.html

Thanks, that explains it all better (and looks legit, the other site looked a bit dodgy).
Good to know about this, but I think it's going to take me about 10 years to get through all of Wusik's sounds as it is!

[goldglob]

Hi William,
I loaded a single instrument soundfont (sf2)...great.
Then it occurred to me that trying to load a multi instrument sf2 (GM or whatever) would probably freak Wusik out.
Being curious, I did that.
The first instrument in the bank does play but even with the vol right down the vol meter is solid red..not really viable.
I'm wondering whether you could devise a way for Wusik to browse a soundfont bank?
If not, I guess you'd have to make a note in the manual not to do what I did, but that's not ideal, too messy, these things should be idiot-proof really.

[WilliamK]

Oh, good point, I have to check how the 3rd party code I'm using actually handles those sort of situations and see if I can improve it. It will take a while as I'm in the middle of creating the new installers.

Wk