Bitwig VS Ableton

[pdxindy]

Anyway, i downloaded the Bitwig demo again to look at its effects...again, a lot of this is ignorant speech and first impressions because being unable to save means i can't really dig into the heart of the program. In Live, you get some weird and creative audio effects like the Frequency Shifter, Corprus, Resonators, three different delays that don't overlap much, a bit crusher...Bitwig has variants of these but their features are more stripped down and basic, without as much creative craziness. i think the purpose is, again, to take these simple tools and modulate the hell out of them to create more complex sounds. But i come from a guitar pedal background, where you plug something in, turn some knobs, and explore that way. Live's effects are great that way. If you're a modular person, i can see how that wouldn't be a problem at all in Bitwig and horribly limiting in every other DAW.

With the audio feature thing, i'm mainly coming from the fact that time signature automation came so late and the Sampler was so underdeveloped until 2.4. There's a lot of arrangement-level editing of audio features i really like in Reaper and Logic i would like every DAW to have and i'm also missing a good chopper like Live's Simpler, as well as Live's audio stretching to butcher and destroy audio samples, but a lot of that is nitpicking. But it does indicate to me that the developers of Bitwig have something very different in mind for this DAW than what i have in mind with my music.

Time signature automation is there. Does it matter when it arrived?
I think Bitwig's time stretching is better than Live's

And the Bitwig effects are under-rated.
I would take the Bitwig Delays any day over Live's. Because you can put any device in the feedback path. Want a bit of bit crushing in the feedback? Easy. Shift the pitch? sure. Put a reverb in there to make the delay super lush? Go for it. You can put whole device chains including vst's... (Live does not have nested devices like this)

Then set up a few macro knobs to adjust the parameters you want, save it as a preset and from then on it is exactly like the stompbox

[PieBerger]

Bitwig don't come across as the greedy, by the balls type and I'm happy that's been confirmed for me now.

Hi Pie, happy to see you here and interested in Bitwig!
If you have any questions you can always reach me here or on FB Messenger

I've been interested ever since it was announced way back when, but unfortunately it took too long to be released and I invested in Live 9 instead. The similarities between Bitwig and Live are many and I've never been able to justify owning both really. Especially as the user base in the psytrance community is very low and I similarly cannot justify purchasing it, to open up avenues for collaboration etc. My money would be better spent the Cubase 9.5 crossgrade offer, for that particular pathway.

If I ever land a paid gig with my music, I might treat myself to a copy, but for now I'll keep my funds for more useful (to me) plugins and studio gear. Now that I know basic support is included regardless of the upgrade plan, it will make the decision easier to make if/when the time comes!

[Zexila]

i would really love a Live/Logic-Reaper hybrid

Yeah, same here, that's why I keep my eye on Bitwig, it's the closest thing really IMO, but still too young, arrangement navigation isn't made for large projects, resource usage either, MIDI tools are basic, you can't even slice few different clips in arrangement or multi-slice single clip, stuff like that makes Logic/Cubase solid choice, so Bitwig - scratchpad, Logic - main DAW, makes perfect sense for me, recording, editing, arranging and mixing in Logic is still better solution IMO, getting rough idea for arrangement, Bitwig, hands down.

[liquidsound]

I rather see Reason with Session view!

[Karbon L. Forms]

you can't even slice few different clips in arrangement or multi-slice single clip

You can't what now?

[Zexila]

you can't even slice few different clips in arrangement or multi-slice single clip

You can't what now?

Slice 1 bar clip with one click into 16 1/16th slices or select multiple clips in arrangement and slice all of them with single click, you need to slice one by one and slice by slice.

Sorry, English is not my native and I don't know proper DAW terminologies for given tasks, so made up my own.

[antic604]

you can't even slice few different clips in arrangement or multi-slice single clip

You can't what now?

Slice 1 bar clip with one click into 16 1/16th slices or select multiple clips in arrangement and slice all of them with single click, you need to slice one by one and slice by slice.

Sure you can - just right-click on the clip and select "slice to drum machine" or "slice to multisample" depending on what you want to do with it. And this even works on MIDI clips that'll get bounced and then sliced, which is just genious!

[Karbon L. Forms]

I think he means a kind of multi-split. No machines or bouncing.

[antic604]

I think he means a kind of multi-split. No machines or bouncing.

Have you tried what I just described? That's exactly a "multi-split" whatever that means.

[Zexila]

Sure you can - just right-click on the clip and select "slice to drum machine" or "slice to multisample" depending on what you want to do with it. And this even works on MIDI clips that'll get bounced and then sliced, which is just genious!

Both of those are something different as you described, I want to slice the clip right there in arrangement, not convert it to sampler/drum machine track.

[Karbon L. Forms]

No, we know about slice-to-whatever... I think he means take one bar clip of anything, and make it 16 little clips.

[Karbon L. Forms]

Which sounds useful, but I'm not rushing out to buy a Mac+Logic quite yet. Just whip out the knife and get on with it.

[Zexila]

Which sounds useful, but I'm not rushing out to buy a Mac+Logic quite yet. Just whip out the knife and get on with it.

Cubase can do it too, Reaper also, probably there's more, but yeah, I'm in no rush in buying Bitwig either, Logic serves the purpose just fine.

[Karbon L. Forms]

Of course Reaper can do it. Goes without saying.

[Zexila]

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Here's snapshot of my project, so I slice few tracks in same place in same way and just mute whatever I don't want, guess this is how majority do their arrangements too, just like in Bitwig you can loop clip, neat thing in Logic is that you can turn looped copies into separate clips, which isn't possible in Bitwig, where you just consolidate into single clip and so on.