Bitwig VS Ableton

[EnGee]

Which sounds useful, but I'm not rushing out to buy a Mac+Logic quite yet. Just whip out the knife and get on with it.

Cubase can do it too, Reaper also, probably there's more, but yeah, I'm in no rush in buying Bitwig either, Logic serves the purpose just fine.

Two questions as I'm really curious:
What is the shortcut for Cubase?
What is the use of that slicing?

Well, as I haven't sold my Cubase license, so I kept it. Still, I'm eager to have Bitwig 2 because I think it fills the gap between Cubase and Live (I have Cubase 9.5 Pro and Live 9 Standard).

If I will have the three, I won't upgrade them all every year! Especially Bitwig and Live! I might well give it a three years period! Who knows what will happen after three years! I mean the prices might go down if they sell more and more copies, or might be an industry crash (Yes! I'm optimistic person ).

So, in short I'm buying what it is now. Bitwig version 1 I had midi timing with it when I used my Blofeld, but as it is now history, I don't have Blofeld anymore and Bitwig seems to perform great now with all my controllers and my Casio DP, then all is fine for me One thing I can't resist thinking of is how spoiled we have become!

[Zexila]

Two questions as I'm really curious:
What is the shortcut for Cubase?
What is the use of that slicing?

Think it's slice tool + alt, than slice first for example 1/16th note measure of a clip and it will immediately slice whole clip into 1/16th's

Yeah


Well, some slice drum loops, some vocals and other audio material, to make fills, stutters and etc, of course you can do that with MIDI, but I think it got essential with audio editing, but it's nice to have when you import MIDI project and you know that one track is made out of looping 8 bar long clips and so on, applies to audio too, you can get creative with stems and etc, speeds up editing process quite a bit, showed you in my last response how, I can mute few tracks in a row in the same place with few clicks.

But there's always workarounds, especially you can get creative in Bitwig having hybrid tracks with both MIDI+audio, so you get crazy with modulators/effects and just bounce in place whatever part of MIDI clip.

[EnGee]

Oh ok thank you

Don't know if it is useful for me though! I use mostly midi and I just slice manually. With Audio it is better to slice it with transients (in the audio editor) I think.

[Zexila]

Yeah, it's all matter of case and preference really.

[xbitz]

^^^ that's working on meta(group)clip level in BWS

[EnGee]

This is useful to know (Grouping and slicing vertically), but I think Zexila meant this:

[xbitz]

^^^ yepp got it and about the scliced clip on the background, at least transient (onset) based slicing is supported


(it doesn't cut the container clip itself just the audio materials in it)

[andypryce]

Split audio in place by grid, by transient would be great.
Split all selected clips at different timelines
And tab to transients of course.
Same for midi. Split by grid, paint notes at grid level etc

[SLiC]

There are definitely more optimised workflow tools for purely liniar DAWs like Reaper, Cubase,Logic etc, but most of what they do I can do in Bitwig even if it takes a little longer. There are many things however I can’t to in those liniar synths so easily (or at all) such as Clip based production and R.A. cks with modulation system.

I’m still a 2 DAW guy, Studio One 4 being my other main tool, but I could not be without Bitwig Studio, i often use it as an instrument (octotrack on steroids), cv sequencer/modulator, tablet DAW on MS Studio, clip based DAW, sound design tool (rack as an instrument) etc...

[antic604]

I slice few tracks in same place in same way and just mute whatever I don't want, guess this is how majority do their arrangements too

If you group tracks (even temporarily), then you can use the Razor Tool on the meta-clips in Group Track and it will actually slice all the clips within it.

But really, looking at your project this is exactly what Bitwig's clip launcher is designed for

[voidhead23]

Actually, the best reason to use Bitwig instead of Ableton is this recent switch...i don't want my DAW to be politically correct, thanks.

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[antic604]

Actually, the best reason to use Bitwig instead of Ableton is this recent switch...i don't want my DAW to be politically correct, thanks.

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WTF?!

EDIT: damn, it's real! https://www.ableton.com/de/release-notes/live-10-beta/

[Zexila]

If you group tracks (even temporarily), then you can use the Razor Tool on the meta-clips in Group Track and it will actually slice all the clips within it.

Awesome, just saw gif from xbitz too.

But really, looking at your project this is exactly what Bitwig's clip launcher is designed for

That project started in Bitwig, but love clip launcher and whole that workflow, Bitwig is closest to my perfect DAW at this point in time than anything else, not to slam Logic, I can edit things in arrangement faster with it and actually have more fun doing arrangements and editing in it.

[chk071]

Actually, the best reason to use Bitwig instead of Ableton is this recent switch...i don't want my DAW to be politically correct, thanks.

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Lol... they already changed that in the Python programming language. Political correctness becomes a real threat for human understanding.

[pottering]

Actually, the best reason to use Bitwig instead of Ableton is this recent switch...i don't want my DAW to be politically correct, thanks.

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I support this move from Ableton.

I even more pleased with my Ableton purchases, confirms my high opinions about the Ableton crew, as people and as a company.

Gonna get Max 8 full in this year's Kwanzaa sales.