Are Todays Daw's Making People Lazy Producers ?

[BMoore]

Maybe lazy, but certainly more whiny.

[learnkeys]

Which came first, lazy musicians, or lazy music?

What would the kids think if a real trained, motivated, hard working musician did trap or dubstep.
Woof, thatd show em.

Until the next real fad comes and goes...

[donkey tugger]

I think the technology has been mind-expanding for me, in terms of exploring time. It's more direct than dealing with ideas on paper; you can erase and replace right away after hearing it. A sequencer provides a very well-specified and direct visual for looking at your rhythm vs having to draw things which line up on the page. You couldn't very well stretch time; razor blade/white grease pencil/literal scrubbing editing chops vs an audio editor is a different sort of chops which I'm sure has atrophied severely but fortunately I don't have to.

Exactly. For me a sequencer is a great songwriting tool above all else - rearrange,restructure, change chord inversions and experiment without having to commit to playing the whole thing again, and this is without even considering the creative potential from effects, automation etc. Where it seems a lot of lot of people fall down (and you read this over and over..) is that they seem to get overwhelmed by the choices on offer, leading to a failure to commit to a direction and finish stuff. Again, not the fault of the technology, but of perhaps of a lack of writing disciple and a coherent vision of what they're trying to achieve.

[learnkeys]

I think the technology has been mind-expanding for me, in terms of exploring time. It's more direct than dealing with ideas on paper; you can erase and replace right away after hearing it. A sequencer provides a very well-specified and direct visual for looking at your rhythm vs having to draw things which line up on the page. You couldn't very well stretch time; razor blade/white grease pencil/literal scrubbing editing chops vs an audio editor is a different sort of chops which I'm sure has atrophied severely but fortunately I don't have to.

Exactly. For me a sequencer is a great songwriting tool above all else - rearrange,restructure, change chord inversions and experiment without having to commit to playing the whole thing again, and this is without even considering the creative potential from effects, automation etc. Where it seems a lot of lot of people fall down (and you read this over and over..) is that they seem to get overwhelmed by the choices on offer, leading to a failure to commit to a direction and finish stuff. Again, not the fault of the technology, but of perhaps of a lack of writing disciple and a coherent vision of what they're trying to achieve.

The lack of musicianship and music theory tends to peak it's head out of the void more often then not.

[donkey tugger]

I think the technology has been mind-expanding for me, in terms of exploring time. It's more direct than dealing with ideas on paper; you can erase and replace right away after hearing it. A sequencer provides a very well-specified and direct visual for looking at your rhythm vs having to draw things which line up on the page. You couldn't very well stretch time; razor blade/white grease pencil/literal scrubbing editing chops vs an audio editor is a different sort of chops which I'm sure has atrophied severely but fortunately I don't have to.

Exactly. For me a sequencer is a great songwriting tool above all else - rearrange,restructure, change chord inversions and experiment without having to commit to playing the whole thing again, and this is without even considering the creative potential from effects, automation etc. Where it seems a lot of lot of people fall down (and you read this over and over..) is that they seem to get overwhelmed by the choices on offer, leading to a failure to commit to a direction and finish stuff. Again, not the fault of the technology, but of perhaps of a lack of writing disciple and a coherent vision of what they're trying to achieve.

The lack of musicianship and music theory tends to peak it's head out of the void more often then not.

Theory, experience, craft, whatever you want to rely on...it's about having the tools at your disposal to know what will work, and how to get to that end.

[learnkeys]

I think the technology has been mind-expanding for me, in terms of exploring time. It's more direct than dealing with ideas on paper; you can erase and replace right away after hearing it. A sequencer provides a very well-specified and direct visual for looking at your rhythm vs having to draw things which line up on the page. You couldn't very well stretch time; razor blade/white grease pencil/literal scrubbing editing chops vs an audio editor is a different sort of chops which I'm sure has atrophied severely but fortunately I don't have to.

Exactly. For me a sequencer is a great songwriting tool above all else - rearrange,restructure, change chord inversions and experiment without having to commit to playing the whole thing again, and this is without even considering the creative potential from effects, automation etc. Where it seems a lot of lot of people fall down (and you read this over and over..) is that they seem to get overwhelmed by the choices on offer, leading to a failure to commit to a direction and finish stuff. Again, not the fault of the technology, but of perhaps of a lack of writing disciple and a coherent vision of what they're trying to achieve.

The lack of musicianship and music theory tends to peak it's head out of the void more often then not.

Theory, experience, craft, whatever you want to rely on...it's about having the tools at your disposal to know what will work, and how to get to that end.

Having the tools at your disposal to create music, not having the tools create the music for you.

[deastman]

The tools aren’t to blame. Music, especially recorded music, is fashion, and always has been. The internet has led to globalization of culture, simultaneously homogenizing and diversifying music output. There is more unique, creative music being produced today than ever before. There is also more childish, cookie cutter crap being produced today than ever before. It really depends which part you choose to focus on in order to support your hypothesis.

[learnkeys]

The tools aren’t to blame. Music, especially recorded music, is fashion, and always has been. The internet has led to globalization of culture, simultaneously homogenizing and diversifying music output. There is more unique, creative music being produced today than ever before. There is also more childish, cookie cutter crap being produced today than ever before. It really depends which part you choose to focus on in order to support your hypothesis.

The tools using the tools are to blame.

[herodotus]

seriously though, people been saying that new music sucks forever. I'm sure when the Beatles came around all the parents where talking about how horrible they are and this awful new sound.

This may or may not be true. But it is also true that a song like "Broken" by "Lovely the Band" is many times worse than the worst songs ever written by Lennon or McCartney.

Cultural decline is a real thing. If it wasn't, Brittania would still be ruling the waves.

[AdvancedFollower]

seriously though, people been saying that new music sucks forever. I'm sure when the Beatles came around all the parents where talking about how horrible they are and this awful new sound.

True, Jazz was called "The Devil’s Music" back in the early 20th century....

[deastman]

I’ve never heard of Lovely the Band, but it doesn’t quite like a fair comparison to pit them up against a songwriting duo who are widely considered one of the greatest in the history of pop music. The 1960s produced plenty of lesser music too.

[vurt]

Technology in general CAN make people lazy, but doesn't apply to everyone.

it can enable lazy people to be lazy, it cannot make a non lazy person lazy.

[donkey tugger]

Brittania would still be ruling the waves.

What? Some trouble in the colonies?!! Europe? EUROPE??!?

[vurt]

seriously though, people been saying that new music sucks forever. I'm sure when the Beatles came around all the parents where talking about how horrible they are and this awful new sound.

This may or may not be true. But it is also true that a song like "Broken" by "Lovely the Band" is many times worse than the worst songs ever written by Lennon or McCartney.

Cultural decline is a real thing. If it wasn't, Brittania would still be ruling the waves.

yeah but l n m never wrote any of the beatles hits. they where all written by cia handlers. the whole 60s was planned as a military intelligence psy op.
and paul is dead. has been since 67!

[vurt]

seriously though, people been saying that new music sucks forever. I'm sure when the Beatles came around all the parents where talking about how horrible they are and this awful new sound.

True, Jazz was called "The Devil’s Music" back in the early 20th century....

still is if you ask donks