Are Todays Daw's Making People Lazy Producers ?

[donkey tugger]

seriously though, people been saying that new music sucks forever. I'm sure when the Beatles came around all the parents where talking about how horrible they are and this awful new sound.

True, Jazz was called "The Devil’s Music" back in the early 20th century....

still is if you ask donks

Call it by its true name...

jaaaath

[imrae]

Which came first, lazy musicians, or lazy music?

What would the kids think if a real trained, motivated, hard working musician did trap or dubstep.
Woof, thatd show em.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bla ... ominations

[herodotus]

I’ve never heard of Lovely the Band, but it doesn’t quite like a fair comparison to pit them up against a songwriting duo who are widely considered one of the greatest in the history of pop music. The 1960s produced plenty of lesser music too.

If you can name a contemporary artist that is at less of a disadvantage against the Beatles by all means do so.

I myself don't even like the Beatles that much. They were just the example in the quote. Personally, I don't think that they could hold a candle to Gershwin.

[vurt]

i think id maybe enjoy some sort of meal with gershwin.

[learnkeys]

Technology in general CAN make people lazy, but doesn't apply to everyone.

it can enable lazy people to be lazy, it cannot make a non lazy person lazy.

People can develop "lazy" habits if they are forced to use "shortcuts". Could you imagine physically working with a tape machine and edits? You have been made physically lazier due to the nonexistent need to manually exude energy for a given task once demanded by analog hardware, etc.

[Aloysius]

But people have to waste a lot of energy on crap like Waves Central.

[vurt]

Technology in general CAN make people lazy, but doesn't apply to everyone.

it can enable lazy people to be lazy, it cannot make a non lazy person lazy.

People can develop "lazy" habits if they are forced to use "shortcuts". Could you imagine physically working with a tape machine and edits? You have been made physically lazier due to the nonexistent need to manually exude energy for a given task once demanded by analog hardware, etc.

no, that task has been streamlined leaving me with energy to put in to playing the instruments.
if i chose not to redirect that energy, that would be on me, not on the technology.
using the technology is a choice, if i chose to use tape i could. but ive been there, and given the kind of tape machine i could probably afford, the trade off would be harder work with less favourable results.
if i had a chance at a top of the range, reel to reel, with quality preamps. then the trade off might be worth it, for the sound quality.
otherwise, digital is good enough.

[Aliens]

Who cares what other people do in relation to the primary question?
It makes no difference to me if others are lazy or not. It doesn't affect my writing or output in any way, at all, so lazy, or not, why would I give a crap?

Seems like another sm troll thread to me. Pity for the suckers who give this sh1te the time of day.

[learnkeys]

But people have to waste a lot of energy on crap like Waves Central.

It's funny how a niche crowd complain about WC but the other 99% don't.

[learnkeys]

Technology in general CAN make people lazy, but doesn't apply to everyone.

it can enable lazy people to be lazy, it cannot make a non lazy person lazy.

People can develop "lazy" habits if they are forced to use "shortcuts". Could you imagine physically working with a tape machine and edits? You have been made physically lazier due to the nonexistent need to manually exude energy for a given task once demanded by analog hardware, etc.

no, that task has been streamlined leaving me with energy to put in to playing the instruments.
if i chose not to redirect that energy, that would be on me, not on the technology.
using the technology is a choice, if i chose to use tape i could. but ive been there, and given the kind of tape machine i could probably afford, the trade off would be harder work with less favourable results.
if i had a chance at a top of the range, reel to reel, with quality preamps. then the trade off might be worth it, for the sound quality.
otherwise, digital is good enough.

The reason you're not using a tape machine right now proves the fact you're now lazier because of DAWs. Sitting all day in front of your computer doesn't constitute a good workout, even if you're wearing your VR glasses.

Technology CAN enable and breed laziness... especially if it's all you know.

[learnkeys]

Who cares what other people do in relation to the primary question?
It makes no difference to me if others are lazy or not. It doesn't affect my writing or output in any way, at all, so lazy, or not, why would I give a crap?

Seems like another sm troll thread to me. Pity for the suckers who give this sh1te the time of day.

You care enough to reply...

[Aliens]

I care enough to state I think suckers got suckered, but aside from that, is the topic relevant to how you make and record music? No, didn't think so

[vurt]

The reason you're not using a tape machine right now proves the fact you're now lazier because of DAWs.

i really hope you don't work in any part of the justice system.
your idea of "proof" is a little suspect...

[chk071]

I care enough to state I think suckers got suckered, but aside from that, is the topic relevant to how you make and record music? No, didn't think so

I'd agree that it's not really worth the time to think about stuff like this. FWIW, I really appreciate the amount of work ITB saves you. Even if I could afford it, I probably wouldn't enjoy a hardware workflow anyway.

TBH, I also disagree that productions 30 years ago were "better". Maybe more inspired. After all this stuff isn't as fresh as it used to be, by now.

[Ry Manning]

People can develop "lazy" habits if they are forced to use "shortcuts". Could you imagine physically working with a tape machine and edits? You have been made physically lazier due to the nonexistent need to manually exude energy for a given task once demanded by analog hardware, etc.

Very true unfortunately. We all run the risk of it to a degree with today's technology but it would only be a fault of our own for becoming complacent and to not use these to their full advantage.

It's important to not stay stagnant and to continue to learn new, progressive way's to use these instruments. We are seeing more of the side effects right now than the benefit's but there is still so much potential because of these advancements.