Are Todays Daw's Making People Lazy Producers ?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i try not to think of them at all....

I think it's definitely the 'hip' thing to do i.e to not like them.

[AnX]

you mean im hip?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

you mean im hip?

[VariKusBrainZ]

Assorted musings: on a side note, and I know this must really burn a lot of the old timers here - BUT ROCK MUSIC IS DEAD.

should have stopped there on the happy note

(I'm 62, the last time I liked a rock band I was 15, when it was still age appropriate)

Jesus. That would be... 1971? You missed a lot. There was a shit ton of great rock music in the mid/late 70's as well as the 80's.

How can you hate Queen

[woggle]

Assorted musings: on a side note, and I know this must really burn a lot of the old timers here - BUT ROCK MUSIC IS DEAD.

should have stopped there on the happy note

(I'm 62, the last time I liked a rock band I was 15, when it was still age appropriate)

Jesus. That would be... 1971? You missed a lot. There was a shit ton of great rock music in the mid/late 70's as well as the 80's.

How can you hate Queen

never made much of an impression on me really

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I don't think of Radiohead as a rock band

Not so much now, but they definitely were up until the fourth album

Don't think I've heard any of that early stuff - or much or them at all really - OK Computer I liked at the time but wouldn't listen to it now, liked amnesiac more. I've not been a band follower since I was a teenager really I have songs Iike but I haven't bought non-classical music for a long time as I find I like one or two songs from an album and that's about it and I OD on them pretty quickly

but I do like some Rammstein and RATM and McLusky when the mood strikes me. But wouldn't buy any of their albums and wouldn't want to listen to more than a couple of tracks in a row every year or so

The first time someone tried to play me 'Creep', I just didn't 'get' it. Mind you, I was going through a heavy Cat Stevens and Van Morrisson phase (Astral Weeks on heavy rotation). Eventually, got introduced to 'The Bends', at a really rough time in my life, and it was definitely the right time for that album. Then I traced backwards to Pablo Honey.

That gig I posted above is a mix of tracks from those first two albums, and It's just a great, stripped-down rock gig. Well worth at least having on in the background.

I ended up getting really into all of their stuff, although the last two albums took quite a while before They got under my skin.

[donkey tugger]

BUT ROCK MUSIC IS DEAD.

I wonder, if I ring the company now, they may be able to abort delivery of the new 12 string guitar. I shall spend the money on moduwah thynththith inthtead.

[AnX]

BUT ROCK MUSIC IS DEAD.

I wonder, if I ring the company now, they may be able to abort delivery of the new 12 string guitar. I shall spend the money on moduwah thynththith inthtead.

they might even throw in a cape!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Back on Topic.

Are Todays Daw's Making People Lazy Producers ?

Yes!...No!...Oh, I don't know...

[digitalboytn]

How can you hate Queen

Queen were a pretty amazing band with some talented players, but Freddie was "The Queen" for sure..

I'm really only conversant with their hits,but they had some great songs and I'm told that their stage show was spectacular...

I never saw them live,but I did see Brian May on Hollywood Bld one time,going into a shop that sold barbecues

But how can anyone not like "Bohemian Rhapsody" ?

That's a work of art and they would have taken a serious amount of time to put that track together in the analog world....

I respect quality work in any genre and that track is a killer

It might have also paid their rent for a day or two

[woggle]

A band that surprised me was the Rolling Stones - I saw them around the mid 70s - was not a fan at all, just went with a girl I was going out with - and the Stones were fantastic - just a great entertaining live act. I imagine Queen would have been like that

(my sister in law took her daughter to see michael jackson and she was blown away at how athletic he was - again had no interest in his music but loved the live show)

[robgb]

It has nothing to do with DAWs. The reason music is so bad these days is because a lot of it is made by committee with an eye toward making money and not toward simply making great music.While there is plenty of great music still being made by indies, etc., a lot of it disappears because the hardest part of ANY creative endeavor is DISCOVERABILITY.

You may have the DAW, you may have the chops, but at the end of the day, unless you have deep pockets, you will struggle to even get your music heard. Marketing is not for the faint-hearted and it certainly isn't cheap. Which is why so much of what we hear is simply corporate pablum created for the widest possible audience—a path that can only lead to mediocrity—and mega sales.

[Aloysius]

I was listening to a load of Burt Bacharach hits today. Great songs. Great singers. Still (no doubt) making a ton of money. When people go to school to learn songwriting and arranging, what on earth are the ''teachers'' teaching them? How about that idiot who mixed the infamous meh-tallica album? Terrible sound. What's he teaching people? I listen to some Caveman productions and they're all crap. Why do great bands like Rush use this looser? GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vurt]

Assorted musings: on a side note, and I know this must really burn a lot of the old timers here - BUT ROCK MUSIC IS DEAD.

should have stopped there on the happy note

(I'm 62, the last time I liked a rock band I was 15, when it was still age appropriate)

rock is far from dead.
its just evolved to something a little different.
sigur ros and muse as well as radiohead have both had big hits here in the uk.
but, when i was a young metal fan, having hits was anathema to us. it was the death knell for metal bands.
look at metallica, awesome, then one gets in to the charts.
they follow that with the black album :ffs: then it just got worse...

my point, if you want to talk about rock being dead, the problem is you are looking in the wrong place.
look in to post-rock. a scene which is huge, while a lot of it is clichés there is some great stuff if you search

[vurt]

This was some hill to die on, isn't it.

ive died on bigger hills...


tbh, I don't even know what that means